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Bramble
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| I suppose ... I don't think I'm a very conservative person, when you put it that way, but I'm sure someone around here will call me a Nazi before the day is through ... |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Essentially a liberal is someone who sees that we can use knowledge and education as something that can better the nation and people.
Conservatives see that status-quo, and what has always been done is the best way to do things.
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I walk into nearly every situation and see how much more it can be improved and how ridiculous the status quo is - speaking of every workplace I've been at, on and on.
But I know most people go into workplaces and would not only not question anything in it, but would strongly support every policy and thing they do.
Just spread that out to the big picture, and that is basically the difference between liberals and conservatives. |
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No_hite_pls
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| When I was younger I was very liberal. As I get older I am becoming more and more conservative. |
The opposite is true for me, as I read more I became more liberal. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Liberal social policies and conservative economics. |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm generally liberal. I'm all for increases in public funding for social programs like health, housing and education, and a reduction in military spending. I'm up for more personal freedoms.
I'm a bit conservative though in terms of the environment, and undecided on abortion and gun rights. |
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JustJohn
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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I guess more conservative. I believe in small government.
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ernie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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"There are more than two ideologies out there you morons.[...] Stop listening to bullshit political radio if you can't form your own opinion without grouping yourself under the convenient umbrella of a "liberal" or "conservative." Quit having your opinions fed to you by Rush Limbaugh, you twats."
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=aliens |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| I'm sure someone around here will call me a Nazi before the day is through ... |
 You're a Nazi. 
Hey, come one, you really didn't expect me to be able to resist that, did you? |
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Bigfeet
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| This board is more left-leaning because there are lots of young people here and educators tend to be liberal. |
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agentX
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Conservatism is fractured to high hell and back so the word doesn't have the same meaning it did 15 years ago.
I want toys that aren't laced with drugs, meat that's not laced with drugs, drugs that aren't laced with other drugs (sad but true), and a government that's not acting like it's on drugs.
If that makes me a liberal, then I'm Noam Chomsky. |
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SirFink
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Conservatives tend to like more control over civil liberties and less control over the economy.
Liberals are the opposite.
Dictators like control over both.
Libertarians like minimum control over both. |
I know that's the standard definition, but I'd argue that -- in America at least -- both Democrats and Republicans want control over both. Republicans, for example, have passed enormous amounts of legislation that attempts to control how an individual can sue someone or a company, how and when they can file for bankruptcy protection. The Democrats have pushed their social agenda on citizens through laws, regulations and public school curricula.
Both parties want to create a utopia. The Republicans' version has everyone praying to Jesus every morning and having missionary-position sex with their spouses every night with the lights turned off and the Democrats want everyone eating crunchy granola three meals a day, driving hybrid cars and hugging our neighbors. I don't particularly care for either. What's that make me? A centrist? I'm like lukewarm water, I guess. |
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SirFink
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| loose_ends wrote: |
When I was younger I was very liberal. As I get older I am becoming more and more conservative.
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There's an old quote along the lines of "To be young and conservative is to have no heart; to be old and liberal is to have no brain." |
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Pluto
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Liberal social policies and conservative economics. |
I am making my way there to that style of Classical Liberal thought. I only say I'm conservative because I believe in low taxes, minimal gov't interference and my belief in free peoples, free minds and free markets. That said, I also believe in much more liberal immigration polices. While I see a need for security along the boarders, I also think that we should uncap the H-1 series visas. I have also come to see the pointlessness of the war on drugs. Stop the wars, end the prohibitions and let people make up their own damn minds. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
When I was younger I was very liberal. As I get older I am becoming more and more conservative.
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There's an old quote along the lines of "To be young and conservative is to have no heart; to be old and liberal is to have no brain." |
Well, kinda. The quote wasn't about "liberal" but socialist. Less the harrrrrrd left in America, liberals there aren't socialist in the sense that the quote suggests.
Francois Guisot: "Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."
Georges Clemenceau: "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of
want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."
I agree with Pluto. Classical liberalism is my team. Free minds and free markets. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
Conservatives tend to like more control over civil liberties and less control over the economy.
Liberals are the opposite.
Dictators like control over both.
Libertarians like minimum control over both. |
I know that's the standard definition, but I'd argue that -- in America at least -- both Democrats and Republicans want control over both. Republicans, for example, have passed enormous amounts of legislation that attempts to control how an individual can sue someone or a company, how and when they can file for bankruptcy protection. The Democrats have pushed their social agenda on citizens through laws, regulations and public school curricula.
Both parties want to create a utopia. The Republicans' version has everyone praying to Jesus every morning and having missionary-position sex with their spouses every night with the lights turned off and the Democrats want everyone eating crunchy granola three meals a day, driving hybrid cars and hugging our neighbors. I don't particularly care for either. |
MMT and Sir Fink both hit the nail on the head.
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