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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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Korean consumption of domestic beef is down 12% from last year. So for the public, obviously, it was always primarily a health issue along with the ineptitude of a new administration and not anti-Americanism. Of course the demagogues on this site and the hysterical and repetitive expat blogs will always see it differently, quoting of course their favorite conservative newspaper, the Chosen Ilbo. See chart:
http://media.daum.net/society/affair/view.html?cateid=1010&newsid=20080624030907549&cp=hankooki |
Do you care to address the PD Notebook MBC lies on which this was all based? |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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What next? Are you going to say you can't meet Americans because they aren't tested for smallpox?
What an idiotic post. |
Sorry, I'm not getting your point?
| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
Korean consumption of domestic beef is down 12% from last year. So for the public, obviously, it was always primarily a health issue along with the ineptitude of a new administration and not anti-Americanism. Of course the demagogues on this site and the hysterical and repetitive expat blogs will always see it differently, quoting of course their favorite conservative newspaper, the Chosen Ilbo. See chart:
http://media.daum.net/society/affair/view.html?cateid=1010&newsid=20080624030907549&cp=hankooki |
Do you care to address the PD Notebook MBC lies on which this was all based? |
There were no lies on that show. Please elaborate since you're the one making the charge. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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That's what happens in FTA's. Countries compromise. It's not a dichotomy of Korea good/everyone else bad. That's just what Koreans like to think.
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HA! Stringent regulations? I have never, ever, ever seen Korean police arrest ANYONE. They never get out of their cars!
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a) stop chain smoking in bars and restaurants like pathetic addicts-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERYDAY
b) stop chugging soju till they can't walk-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
c) stop covering the streets in spit, urine and faeces-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
d) stop covering the streets in uncollected, rotting trash-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
e) stop living in Seoul, the city with the worst air in the world-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
f) stop driving like idiots with their headights off-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
g) start using seatbelts-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
h) stop running red lights-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
i) stop driving motorcycles on the sidewalk-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
j) start putting soap, hot water and hand dryers in public bathrooms-UNREGULATED, NEVER SEE IT
k) stop spitting on the floor inside public buildings like a bunch of moronic people who've never heard of TB-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
l) stop spitting in ashtrays in crowded restaurants-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
m) stop preparing food in unsanitary, filthy kitchens where the staff spit on the floor, and wash their hands and dishes (if at all) in cold water without soap- UNREGULATED, USED TO SEE IT EVERY DAY. NOW AVOID (MANY) RESTAURANTS
n) stop beating the hell out of their students in public schools with sticks and punching 12 year old girls in the face - SEE IT ON YOUTUBE EVERY FEW MONTHS
o) stop beating their wives in public- USED TO SEE IT QUITE A BIT, BEEN A WHILE. POLICE NEVER CAME OR GAVE A DAMN
p) ajumas, stop beating your kids in public too- SAME AS ABOVE
q) stop violent hazing in universities- HEARD ABOUT IT, A LOT
r) stop your military officers from raping their conscripts and forcing them to eat human waste- SAW SOME PICTURES, RECALL A STORY ABOUT A GUY FRAGGING HIS BARRACKS A WHILE BACK
s) stop barebacking 60 guys a day in red light districts- NO COMMENT
t) install some damn sidewalks- NEVER SEEN ONE
u) stop living in cockroach ridden hovels- SEE IT EVERY DAY
v) install indoor plumbing- STILL IN SOME AREAS
w) stop driving their scooter with three kids, a dog, and a carton of ramyon while talking on the phone and smoking- SAW IT YESTERDAY, AND THIS MORNING
x) stop covering the beaches, mountains and countryside with trash- SEE IT EVERY DAY
y) stop eating so much flippin sugar in EVERYTHING- TASTE IT EVERY DAY
z) stop screaming at each other on the street from loudspeakers selling fish, fruit, onions, aircons and, well, the Doume girls if you have enough money- HEAR IT EVERY DAY |
Korean regulations. What a joke. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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If people were told that one in a million hyundais would explode on you, not just break down, but explode, would people buy Hyundais? It doesn't matter whether the odds are so low of getting hit with this disease since at the end of the day it's the customer�s prerogative to choose what he wants and the government's duty to reflect that standard.
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It's estimated as 1 case per 10 billion servings in England. A country with 4000 times more cases found of mad cows disease in cattle than America (3 cases).
So to compare apples with apples that would need to mean your hyndai that you were driving that day has a 4 trillion to one chance of exploding.
That's 4 000 000 000 000 to 1 chance per servings of beef.
Doesn't matter.....your hyndai exploding isn't half as scary as the rest of it's shoddy safety standards. Already seeing a lot of talk about youtube of boycotting Korean products....they don't have the best reputation as it is...it won't make much sacrifice for people to pass on that hyndai considering what cr@p cars they are in the first place.
And someone set themselves alight over this.
Careful what you wish for Korea.....the world could easily go without what you had to offer it without notice , but you need the world as a market or you'll be canabals by august. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
What next? Are you going to say you can't meet Americans because they aren't tested for smallpox?
What an idiotic post. |
Sorry, I'm not getting your point?
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| komerican wrote: |
Korean consumption of domestic beef is down 12% from last year. So for the public, obviously, it was always primarily a health issue along with the ineptitude of a new administration and not anti-Americanism. Of course the demagogues on this site and the hysterical and repetitive expat blogs will always see it differently, quoting of course their favorite conservative newspaper, the Chosen Ilbo. See chart:
http://media.daum.net/society/affair/view.html?cateid=1010&newsid=20080624030907549&cp=hankooki |
Do you care to address the PD Notebook MBC lies on which this was all based? |
There were no lies on that show. Please elaborate since you're the one making the charge. |
Please you say you are not serious. There were several lies. first the woman who died of vCJD did not die of vCJD. Also they showed some sick cows and claimed they had mad cow disease, but the cows had other illnesses. I don't remember some of the other claims the show made but they have been shown to be false. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
That's what happens in FTA's. Countries compromise. It's not a dichotomy of Korea good/everyone else bad. That's just what Koreans like to think.
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| stringent regulations. |
HA! Stringent regulations? I have never, ever, ever seen Korean police arrest ANYONE. They never get out of their cars!
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a) stop chain smoking in bars and restaurants like pathetic addicts-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERYDAY
b) stop chugging soju till they can't walk-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
c) stop covering the streets in spit, urine and faeces-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
d) stop covering the streets in uncollected, rotting trash-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
e) stop living in Seoul, the city with the worst air in the world-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
f) stop driving like idiots with their headights off-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
g) start using seatbelts-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
h) stop running red lights-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
i) stop driving motorcycles on the sidewalk-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
j) start putting soap, hot water and hand dryers in public bathrooms-UNREGULATED, NEVER SEE IT
k) stop spitting on the floor inside public buildings like a bunch of moronic people who've never heard of TB-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
l) stop spitting in ashtrays in crowded restaurants-UNREGULATED, SEE IT EVERY DAY
m) stop preparing food in unsanitary, filthy kitchens where the staff spit on the floor, and wash their hands and dishes (if at all) in cold water without soap- UNREGULATED, USED TO SEE IT EVERY DAY. NOW AVOID (MANY) RESTAURANTS
n) stop beating the hell out of their students in public schools with sticks and punching 12 year old girls in the face - SEE IT ON YOUTUBE EVERY FEW MONTHS
o) stop beating their wives in public- USED TO SEE IT QUITE A BIT, BEEN A WHILE. POLICE NEVER CAME OR GAVE A DAMN
p) ajumas, stop beating your kids in public too- SAME AS ABOVE
q) stop violent hazing in universities- HEARD ABOUT IT, A LOT
r) stop your military officers from raping their conscripts and forcing them to eat human waste- SAW SOME PICTURES, RECALL A STORY ABOUT A GUY FRAGGING HIS BARRACKS A WHILE BACK
s) stop barebacking 60 guys a day in red light districts- NO COMMENT
t) install some damn sidewalks- NEVER SEEN ONE
u) stop living in cockroach ridden hovels- SEE IT EVERY DAY
v) install indoor plumbing- STILL IN SOME AREAS
w) stop driving their scooter with three kids, a dog, and a carton of ramyon while talking on the phone and smoking- SAW IT YESTERDAY, AND THIS MORNING
x) stop covering the beaches, mountains and countryside with trash- SEE IT EVERY DAY
y) stop eating so much flippin sugar in EVERYTHING- TASTE IT EVERY DAY
z) stop screaming at each other on the street from loudspeakers selling fish, fruit, onions, aircons and, well, the Doume girls if you have enough money- HEAR IT EVERY DAY |
Korean regulations. What a joke. |
Again, Sanja, these are completely different issues. Are you saying that a country cannot make sovereign determinations about imported foods until it gets its domestic safety record in order? It's an absurd idea Sanga. These are two completely different issues.
For example, the US recently had congressional hearings on toys imported from China that contained high levels of lead. They forced Chinese manufacturers to take the lead out of these toys. And yet the mortality rates for children in the US are one of the highest in the developed world. Would you accept as rational a Chinese saying that the US shouldn�t talk about lead in toys until they get those mortality rates down? Of course you wouldn�t sanja because the two issues are completely different.
What you are doing is making an emotional appeal to people on this site for sympathy but your point is based on emotionalism. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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I had never, ever heard Koreans use the word "Safety" before this beef thing.
At least, not in a sarcastic way.
Do you even live in Korea? Do you even know what's it like to be here?
Safety. Ha.
Emotionalism? Me? This whole beef thing is about emotion.
It sure isn't about science.
Dude, you are a superb troll. One of the best ever. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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If people were told that one in a million hyundais would explode on you, not just break down, but explode, would people buy Hyundais? It doesn't matter whether the odds are so low of getting hit with this disease since at the end of the day it's the customer�s prerogative to choose what he wants and the government's duty to reflect that standard.
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It's estimated as 1 case per 10 billion servings in England. A country with 4000 times more cases found of mad cows disease in cattle than America (3 cases).
So to compare apples with apples that would need to mean your hyndai that you were driving that day has a 4 trillion to one chance of exploding.
That's 4 000 000 000 000 to 1 chance per servings of beef.
Doesn't matter.....your hyndai exploding isn't half as scary as the rest of it's shoddy safety standards. Already seeing a lot of talk about youtube of boycotting Korean products....they don't have the best reputation as it is...it won't make much sacrifice for people to pass on that hyndai considering what cr@p cars they are in the first place.
And someone set themselves alight over this.
Careful what you wish for Korea.....the world could easily go without what you had to offer it without notice , but you need the world as a market or you'll be canabals by august. |
If the odds are so low and the science is so sure bovine then why did the USDA ban Canadian beef over 30 months for 5 years? And why did the US Cattlemen's Association describe Canadian beef and live cattle as dangerous?
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| komerican wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
What next? Are you going to say you can't meet Americans because they aren't tested for smallpox?
What an idiotic post. |
Sorry, I'm not getting your point?
| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
Korean consumption of domestic beef is down 12% from last year. So for the public, obviously, it was always primarily a health issue along with the ineptitude of a new administration and not anti-Americanism. Of course the demagogues on this site and the hysterical and repetitive expat blogs will always see it differently, quoting of course their favorite conservative newspaper, the Chosen Ilbo. See chart:
http://media.daum.net/society/affair/view.html?cateid=1010&newsid=20080624030907549&cp=hankooki |
Do you care to address the PD Notebook MBC lies on which this was all based? |
There were no lies on that show. Please elaborate since you're the one making the charge. |
Please you say you are not serious. There were several lies. first the woman who died of vCJD did not die of vCJD. Also they showed some sick cows and claimed they had mad cow disease, but the cows had other illnesses. I don't remember some of the other claims the show made but they have been shown to be false. |
Did you even watch the show? The mother claimed that her daughter died of mad cow. The show highlighted the holes in the US meat-processing industry. The fact is it was the inept way that the Lee administration handled this that caused the outcry from the public. Blaming the show is the wrong way to go and I hope the Lee administration does not go down this road of blaming the media since it was their own mistakes that lead to this. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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I had never, ever heard Koreans use the word "Safety" before this beef thing.
At least, not in a sarcastic way.
Do you even live in Korea? Do you even know what's it like to be here?
Safety. Ha.
Emotionalism? Me? This whole beef thing is about emotion.
It sure isn't about science.
Dude, you are a superb troll. One of the best ever. |
Well, Sanja, if you presented a good argument I would agree with you. You presented a laundry list of facts that are completely irrelevant. I wrote that the US has the one of the worst records for child mortality and they still had the Chinese take out lead from toys. Sorry but name-calling and emotional appeals to the expat mob are not sound arguments. |
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tigerbluekitty
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I agree that Korean beef is unsafe. Korean beef isn't tested very regularly and more prone to Mad Cow Disease. Why can't they serve us Korean beef from cattle that is under 30 months of age? I demand the Korean government regulate and test all their cattle for Mad Cow Disease!!
I'm going to go hold a candlelight vigil about the dangers of Korean beef. The Koreans are trying to kill us!!
Don't try to convince me otherwise! I think therefore it must be true! |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I agree that Korean beef is unsafe. Korean beef isn't tested very regularly and more prone to Mad Cow Disease. Why can't they serve us Korean beef from cattle that is under 30 months of age? I demand the Korean government regulate and test all their cattle for Mad Cow Disease!!
I'm going to go hold a candlelight vigil about the dangers of Korean beef. The Koreans are trying to kill us!!
Don't try to convince me otherwise! I think therefore it must be true! |
And you would have that right my sarcastic friend if Korea was trying to export millions of tons of beef to your country. And as I've pointed out that is exactly what the US did with Canadian beef over 30 months and then recently changed that OVER the objections of the US Cattlemen's Association. As it is Koreans have also cut down on domestic beef. |
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bovinerebel
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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If the odds are so low and the science is so sure bovine then why did the USDA ban Canadian beef over 30 months for 5 years? And why did the US Cattlemen's Association describe Canadian beef and live cattle as dangerous?
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It's no longer banned. That's how science works...it evolves and adapts to absorb new information. Anyway when it's you claiming that the beef is so dangerous it's your perrogative in the face of science and statistics that simple prove it isn't , to prove why you believe this . The simple truth is that not a korean person even knew about or cared about mad cows disease , recieved a grossly misinformed version of the issue riddled with hyperbole ...accepted it without question because it served up the delicious prospect of "mighty korea" standing up to the "evil americans" .
They came out protesting like total idiots and now are backpeddling to say it's because of other factors....like the 30 month issue....the truth is we all know they were protesting before they even knew anything about the freaking issue , or what they wanted. Middle school students crying about how they worked so hard and now they will die , does not equate or relate to the facts in any way or form , to to most koreans that's the level of emotive response they invested in it.
Anyway you look at it it's stupid and humiliating for Korea to have acted out about such a silly issue. |
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ulsanchris
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Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Did I watch the show. No i did not. The may have claimed that her daughter died from mad cow disease but the CDC has ruled that she did not. It is not yet known how she died as far as I am aware. there are probably holes in the US inspection system. It probably could be much safer. But the fact is only three cows have been found to have had it in the US and not a single person has yet to contract the disease. The facts and figures show that the reaction to this by many koreans has be overblown. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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If the odds are so low and the science is so sure bovine then why did the USDA ban Canadian beef over 30 months for 5 years? And why did the US Cattlemen's Association describe Canadian beef and live cattle as dangerous?
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It's no longer banned. That's how science works...it evolves and adapts to absorb new information. Anyway when it's you claiming that the beef is so dangerous it's your perrogative in the face of science and statistics that simple prove it isn't , to prove why you believe this . The simple truth is that not a korean person even knew about or cared about mad cows disease , recieved a grossly misinformed version of the issue riddled with hyperbole ...accepted it without question because it served up the delicious prospect of "mighty korea" standing up to the "evil americans" .
They came out protesting like total idiots and now are backpeddling to say it's because of other factors....like the 30 month issue....the truth is we all know they were protesting before they even knew anything about the freaking issue , or what they wanted. Middle school students crying about how they worked so hard and now they will die , does not equate or relate to the facts in any way or form , to to most koreans that's the level of emotive response they invested in it.
Anyway you look at it it's stupid and humiliating for Korea to have acted out about such a silly issue. |
No, the onus should be on the seller to prove the safety of his wares. Since the science is so unsure on this, for example, we don't know for certain whether there is a particular genetic marker that makes some people more susceptible to this, it's important that the seller at least goes half way in calming some worries of the BUYER. If the seller obdurately refuses to test more of his product then the seller should be prepared to lose some sales. And if the seller's agent in another country uses this issue as a bargaining chip in a free trade deal then both the seller and the seller's perceived "agent" should be prepared for all hell to break loose given the history of massive street demonstrations in Korea that go back to the March 1, 1919 national demonstrations.
"Series of demonstrations for Korean national independence from Japan that began on March 1, 1919, in the Korean capital city of Seoul and soon spread throughout the country. Before the Japanese finally suppressed the movement 12 months later, approximately 2,000,000 Koreans had participated in the more than 1,500 demonstrations. About 7,000 people were killed by the Japanese police and..." |
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tigerbluekitty
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans are like sheep who cannot think for themselves. They believe any propaganda that comes their way. |
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