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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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The RED DOT on the Chart shows where you fit on the political map.
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.
ACCORDING TO YOUR ANSWERS,
The political group that
agrees with you most is...
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Obama's test score:
LIBERAL
PERSONAL issues Score is 60%.
ECONOMIC issues Score is 20%.
John McCain's test score:
STATIST
PERSONAL issues Score is 30%.
ECONOMIC issues Score is 30%.
Hillary Clinton's test score:
LIBERAL/STATIST (on the borderline)
PERSONAL issues Score is 50%.
ECONOMIC issues Score is 10%.
Ron Paul's test score:
LIBERTARIAN
PERSONAL issues Score is 100%
ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%
Bob Barr's test score:
LIBERTARIAN
PERSONAL issues Score is 90%
ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%
Your turn:
http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Your PERSONAL issues Score is 60%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%.
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LIBERTARIAN
LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and
economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one
that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.
Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose
government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate
diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.
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But I do favor conscription, and support most drug laws.
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: ... |
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Wow, a find your politics quiz designed by Libertarians where most of the respondants find out their views are Libertarian.
Frankly, the political compass quiz with the astrology question is a lot better. |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Like some other posters have said, you'd have to define liberal/conservative to actually understand people's motivations. I'm am (was) a poli-sci student and have encountered dozens of different definitions. Also, the thought that people have to place their political ideas in one of either two camps is very American, which someone else mentioned before. A friend of mine is very socially liberal, but fiscally very conservative. Most Canadians view the Democratic Party as conservative and our Convervative Party as liberal in comparison (well, this was true with the PCs, maybe not with Harper et al now).
In basic fiscal terms, classical liberalism is what we call neo-conservativism today. Opening up trade mostly. Whereas liberals (classical and what many today would call themselves) just value justice over trade, so any trade should be as fair as possible to those involved. Neo-conseravatives believe an open market will regulate itself and injustice will figure itself out eventually.
I believe most young people can differ on fiscal ideologies, but are usually very liberal when it comes to social policies. Does anyone believe gay marriage will still be an issue in 50 years? As for issues like abortion and euthanasia, reasonable people will always disagree on this because these are really tough questions. I doubt any sincere person on either side of these debates cannot understand to some extent the other side.
One thing that I find interesting is that self-proclaimed Conservatives want less government interference yet are the ones who consistantly block social progress (gay marriage, civil rights, women's rights, etc.). Bill Barr, Libertarian candidate, has voted for the Defense of Marriage Act as well as the Patriot Act and several other government interferences in personal life (including limits on abortion). If you're for less government control, you have to be for it for everyone. Otherwise I believe they call you a "hypocrite". |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| If you're for less government control, you have to be for it for everyone. Otherwise I believe they call you a "hypocrite". |
That pretty much sums up the entire Republic Party these last 7 years. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Are you liberal or conservative?
I have been asking myself this question for years as I have conservative values such as frugality and an open liberal mind that allows me to appreciate things overlooked by most. Things such as great art, the green forests, imaging how the world looked before corporations began destroying our natural environment all life is dependent on, and all the largemouth bass that must swim in dem der sparkling waters of that sparkling country called Korea.
I can be a country redneck in the USA or a city dwelling bleeding heart liberal who wants the world saved from corporations destroying our natural environment and allow Americans to actually be a free people. I have values from both ends of the spectrum if that makes any sense nor do I submit to any one political party as they are all majorly flawed concepts failing the American people. |
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nolegirl
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Why do people think if the govt gets more involved it will get better, thats crazy!!
I would love to have a free college education and free healthcare but if we can't even get a damn border secure or FEMA straight theses programs will not work. Lets face it, the govt will f*** it up. I don't really want the govt taking 60% of my income to take care of me b/c they won�t, it would turn into Korean immigration where every time you call you are told a different thing and nothing gets done. We are a capitalist society and that is what makes America, well America.
We have the best doctors and best colleges, if you took out the capitalism in this there would be no need to do better. A doctor learns his trade and becomes good at what he does to make more money, if all doctors made the same amount what is the point in exceeding, same with colleges. It�s the fundamentals of a good society. Work hard = you get more $$$.
Don�t get me started on the housing market, if grown adults signed a mortgage that they could not afford it is there fault. The govt should not bail out people who signed those scam interest only mortgages. If you make 50K USD a year you can not afford a $600,000 mortgage, its called common sense. These people should of known better. It�s called personal fiscal accountability.
The US already pays for people who cannot afford healthcare, its called Medicaid. You have BS people taking advantage of the govt. I have a friend who won't get married so she can keep getting govt assistance. Her b-friend makes over 70K. They won't get married so she can continue to cash in.
On a side note, if the govt was so concerned about gas prices they would of lowered the energy taxes and would of let the big oil companies build their refineries, but congress blocked it and what happens, the old ass refineries are falling apart and its costing the consumer in the end b/c its taking longer to refine. Govt finally said �Ok, build more refineries,� but its now a little too late. Govt sucks and need to keep their hands out of the economy. Exxon Mobil is a smart company. They have some of the best minds in the world at this company and its like the govt is trying to stop them. Honestly there smart. If the govt just stayed out of "most" of their business we would not be having as many problems as we are now. I blame the govt not Exxon for this energy crisis. They got into a lucrative business, made good business decisions, so what. If you don�t want to pay a shit load in gas then don�t buy a dam Hummer or Tahoe. For every galon of gas were paying .30-.50 in govt taxes... thats alot!!!!
Congress needs this $$ so they can spen it on earmarks, like buiding a 20 billion dollar bridge to nowhere. ridiculous.
I love America but man is it messed up!!!
Socially:
Gay marriage - don't care, if they want to be miserable have at it
Abortion - no offense, but the laws will always stay as it is, why even bring up in an election
Weed- it won�t ever become legal, get over it
Gay Adoption - hey, better than no parents, at least you will have 2 people that love you. Most Amercians only have one.
Wow sorry so long |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Bill Barr, Libertarian candidate, has voted for the Defense of Marriage Act as well as the Patriot Act and several other government interferences in personal life (including limits on abortion). If you're for less government control, you have to be for it for everyone. Otherwise I believe they call you a "hypocrite". |
Hypocrite? Au contraire. Babar flip flopped on all those, so now he's A-OK. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Wow, a find your politics quiz designed by Libertarians where most of the respondants find out their views are Libertarian.
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Other versions of this quiz have been tested. It feels more accurate when there are more questions. But, the results come out the same.
To really understand where you are, however, you should use more descriptive referents:
In the libertarian quadrant you could be:
a conservative libertarian
a moderate libertarian
a liberal libertarian
a pure libertarian
In the liberal quadrant you could be:
a libertarian leaning liberal
a moderate liberal
a far left liberal
a statist leaning liberal or big government liberal or "social democrat"
etc.
Actually, this quiz, when given to random samples is very accurate. It finds about 20% libertarian. The liberal group is the smallest, about 15%, which matches America today.
The people who don't like the quiz, for the most part, are those who find themselves accurately labeled as "statists."
They are statists, of course. They fit in the same corner with socialists, communists, fascists and others who like big government and have no respect for individual liberty. They just don't like the embarassment of being accurately labeled. They don't like it when people can see them in the light of reality. |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: |
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I want the government to pay for my healthcare, university, and social assistance. This way, I can be as reckless and irresponsible as I want, and I don't have to worry about paying for my own medical bills. Heck, I don't pay taxes, so I don't have to worry about paying the medical bills of the apathetic either. I have to wait 8 months to have surgery, but at least it's free! And no, we CANNOT have the option for private health care, because that would enable the rich (or responsible) to get help sooner! That's not fair!
I also want free education. When I turn 18 and start university, I think I'll major in fine art. No, wait a second, I think I'll change my major to English. I can't do much with an English degree, so I think I'll enter a poli sci program. Good thing taxpayers are paying for my education! Now that I have two degrees, I'm going to move to another country, and pay taxes into THEIR system!
Now, I think I'll have three different babies with three different Daddies. No need to get married; I'll get social assistance regardless. Having babies and being on welfare is my ticket to independence, meager as it is. A cycle of poverty passed onto my children is not my concern; it is the GOVERNMENT's concern.
I also advocate a 32-hour workweek and a lavish pension plan for government employees, and I discourage private investment (and importing American beef into korea). I also would rather NOT have babies, and I'm quite confident that SOMEbody will pay for my care when I'm old. I rely on government for everything, and I'm sure they'll think of something.
Well, won't they? |
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Bramble

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: National treasures need homes
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
I want the government to pay for my healthcare, university, and social assistance. This way, I can be as reckless and irresponsible as I want, and I don't have to worry about paying for my own medical bills. Heck, I don't pay taxes, so I don't have to worry about paying the medical bills of the apathetic either. I have to wait 8 months to have surgery, but at least it's free! And no, we CANNOT have the option for private health care, because that would enable the rich (or responsible) to get help sooner! That's not fair!
I also want free education. When I turn 18 and start university, I think I'll major in fine art. No, wait a second, I think I'll change my major to English. I can't do much with an English degree, so I think I'll enter a poli sci program. Good thing taxpayers are paying for my education! Now that I have two degrees, I'm going to move to another country, and pay taxes into THEIR system!
Now, I think I'll have three different babies with three different Daddies. No need to get married; I'll get social assistance regardless. Having babies and being on welfare is my ticket to independence, meager as it is. A cycle of poverty passed onto my children is not my concern; it is the GOVERNMENT's concern.
I also advocate a 32-hour workweek and a lavish pension plan for government employees, and I discourage private investment (and importing American beef into korea). I also would rather NOT have babies, and I'm quite confident that SOMEbody will pay for my care when I'm old. I rely on government for everything, and I'm sure they'll think of something.
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You collect welfare in a foreign country? And your welfare babies deserted you somewhere between your third and fourth paragraphs? I don't know whether to say "poor you" or "congratulations."
Further to what I wrote earlier, I find many of the quizzes on this topic extremely frustrating to get through. That astrology question is a perfect example! If any topic is apolitical, astrology has to be it.
With that being said, I favour left-leaning economic policies because I don�t think poor people should be punished for being poor. When I was younger, there was an ultraconservative mindset in Canada that widened the gap between the haves and the have-nots and made it much more difficult for young people to get started in life. It's practically impossible to get a decent education in Canada without accumulating a shitload of debt. The policies of conservative governments there have had disastrous effects on everyone (including animals), and they�re the main reason I�m in no hurry to go back.
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Near the boundary between conservative and libertarian. I'm against big government and welfare programs, but do agree with drug laws and stuff along those lines. |
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nolegirl
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Kimbop, your a genius.
If govt paid for my schooling I would never leave. I would quadruple major in everything. I would never want to enter into the dreaded real world. Then I would just milk welfare with my 3 kids from 3 different daddies. And then the govt is going to pay for my trailer!!! SCORE |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Kimbop, your a genius.
If govt paid for my schooling I would never leave. I would quadruple major in everything. I would never want to enter into the dreaded real world. Then I would just milk welfare with my 3 kids from 3 different daddies. And then the govt is going to pay for my trailer!!! SCORE |
Dare to dream! |
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