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[garykasparov]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFEsaRjlbbk

[bovinerebel]

That is so obviously and blatantly "misunderstood". What is wrong with white people that we sell each other out so easily to appease others in the name of being politically correct ? It's clear he's trying to actually make a anti racial statement in the light of the witch hunt he experienced in the past. It seems some of whiteys will only be happy when we're working as some underclass for everyone else ...because we extend rights and liberties to others we never extend to ourselves. The resentment that ensues perpetuates racism just like the post feministic world of making men feel like criminals for just being male , perpetuates sexism. If we all truly were interested in getting along we'd shut the likes of Al Sharpton who just want to agitate and stir up racial tension for the tiniest things.

I come from South Africa where the government seems to think a good way to get rid of racism is to categorise everyone by race and then based on that asign jobs and government positions , give loans and free housing/land /tax breaks /university entrance positions. The young generation are perfectly willing to forget their differences until the politicians remind them by constantly pointing it out in their policies.

But at the end of the day as white South Africans we're proving a point I think .Even though we're totally disenfranchised , powerless , highly taxed and given zero government assistance and benefits we're still moving forward and improving our lives. We don't need or even want handouts and refuse to wallow and feel like victims because the world won't allow us to...and I'm thankful for that. Entitling yourself to be a victim is why the african american community in America still lags behind. It's easier to fail when you can blame others for it.For anyone whose going to call me a racist these sentiments are those of Barrack Obama.

[poet13]

"But at the end of the day as white South Africans we're proving a point I think .Even though we're totally disenfranchised , powerless , highly taxed and given zero government assistance and benefits we're still moving forward and improving our lives."

Oh please.

I haven't spent much time in S Africa, but during the time I did spend there around jo-burg, I stayed in a nice white gated community with lots of nice white people, and their black servants. I travelled around in a very nice european sedan driven by an armed, well spoken, black man. When we drove past the slums to the south of jo-burg, we didn't slow down for anything, not even kids crossing the road. In the malls, full of nice white rich people with their poor black servants, the security gaurds, armed with automatic weapons, stopped and frisked every black man going through the door. I, with my Sig Sauer, walked right on through.

After a couple of months staying and travelling around, I started to see the black people differently. I still didn't like it that my friends referred to blacks as "kaffirs", but after seeing the wretched conditions these people lived in, the lack of decent education and health care, I did start to understand that they needed our help. They needed someone to look after them, to do for them the things they weren't capable of doing themselves.

It wasn't until I got back to the US that I got the shock of my life. I had done it! I had fallen into the trap of racism. It was an insidious, paternalistic racism, one where I started to think that another group of human beings simply was not as intellectually capable as another. It was horrible because it happened so subtly.

Don Imus may be a racist. He also might not be. But we are judged by what we do. Therefore, I label him a racist. His lame attempt at going the other way to me was a blatantly obvious case of covering his ass.

[bovinerebel]

[Ya-ta Boy]

[poet13]

"To see all people as potentially equal and therefore credit them with the ability to suceed in an even playing field without your help : racist ? "

I didn't suggest that at all. I see people as equal. For a short time while I was staying there, I started to "see" things in a different way. I didn't realiz that I was seeing things that way until I went home and got a reality check.

"To look at people as somehow needing help and as if they would be better off with your help : racist ?"

I didn't say that either. What I said was, "It was an insidious, paternalistic racism, one where I started to think that another group of human beings simply was not as intellectually capable as another."
What I also said was that these people needed our (sic white) help because they coudn't do for themselves. The important part was in not being able to do for themselves.

Helping people is almost always a good thing, but the spirit in which we do it is important too.

"Really...unless you live in africa you just can't understand."

This I would agree with.

"if the worst a person does under this kind of resentment is utters the word "kaffir" "

So when I'm in Canada this summer, if some black person get's in my shit, it's cool if I call him or her a nigger? That would be the equivalent expression in north america.

"But the leftist world you come from..."

You have no idea how far off the mark that is.

"It seems no matter what is done to white south africans , it's never enough to earn the slightest bit of empathy. "

Paybacks a bitch ain't it?

"Please don't project and enforce your pretty ideas on us at the expense of any more of the lives of our families."

Projecting is my right. I am not in any way "enforcing" my ideas on anyone. I would hardly describe my description of the racism I experienced (albeit on the offenders end) as petty.

I do see South Africa as a very racist country. The reasons? I have no idea, and I don't pretend to. I think it's a very fucked up place. A beautiful magnificent country, one that I could easily fall in love with, but still fucked up. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be angry or defensive at the things that have happened there. I am saying though that most of the rest of the world is nothing like what you see there, especially on that scale.
Anyways, the point of my original post was that on average,
-I think whites are more economically enfranchised and capable than the black people there.
-It was also to share something that I experienced as an outsider.
-It was also to call Don Imus a racist.

[bovinerebel]

[bovinerebel]

[hugekebab]

[bobranger]

Imus is irrelavent. He's old, uninspired and has nothing to say. He sounds like dust. Lets hope the media doesn't waste time on this. Geez I guess we will listen to Al Sharton and crew on the Larry King Show.

Larry King is irrelavent. He's old, uninspired and has nothing to say. He looks like dust.

[poet13]

Damn, just deleted my reply....I'll summarize.

hugekebab. The Sig was for whoever needed it, and the point was, that on color alone, I was allowed to carry a firearm that I wasn't licensed for. I'm not disputing though thta S Africa is a dangerous place.

bovinerebel.

"I've never know a white south african call a middle classed or educated black person a "kaffir" . "
In your whole life, you never heard that? I simply don't believe you. In the short time I spent there, some of the people I was with referred to any black person (including Mandela himself) as a kaffir for "stirring up trouble".

" The idea that white south africans resent black people purely because of skin color is ridiculous."

You're kidding, right? If not, then what was Apartheid all about?

The white south african situation is nothing like the Israel situation. Show me anythnig like Apartheid in Israel, with Israel as the agressor.


"Payback for what ?"

http://www.un.org/av/photo/subjects/apartheid.htm

" Their mother raped and impaled on poles (use your imagination) for nothing but being white. "

Are you saying no one in South Africa was killed just for being black?

"We worked hard , took risks and put up with a lot of nonsense to get the few luxuries we had."

Nonsense? Those pesky kaffirs again huh?

"A lot of black people are bitter for trivial tings white people have done such as name calling"

http://www.rebirth.co.za/apartheid.htm
http://www.africanaencyclopedia.com/apartheid/apartheid.html
http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/violations/apartheid.html

"....we chisseled out not only an existance , but a nice country out of nothing with the blood and sweat of our ancestors despite being grossly outnumbered."

out of nothing? There were tribes and nations of people. There were economies, cities, politics, education and a justice system. There were all of those things that we use to describe a civilization. Just because it doesn't fit OUR description of what main street should look like, doesn't mean it was nothing. And that you made it nice is very nice too...because it wasn't before...of course.

"We leave the country implodes into nothing....that's a fact."
I wonder what S Africa would be like now if whites had never colonized. still nothing? I doubt it.



I think your arguments have validity, but the ad hominum bits (silly, petty ideas, stupid liberals) really do take away from the overall effect.

[teachteach]

Bovinerebel said "It seems some of whiteys will only be happy when we're working as some underclass for everyone else"

Says the man working for Koreans in Korea.

[chriswylson]

Bovinerebel, you're right, any intelligent person would agree with you. Just don't waste your energy by arguing with the retards on this board.

[Gwangjuboy]

[poet13]

"The idea that there were nations of people in the land in which which present day South Africa lies is laughable. There was no rule of law, no
defined boundaries, and no concept - legal or otherwise - of landownership. Essentially, we found people living like we were several thousands of years ago on a land which wasn't owned or defined by anyone."

http://library.thinkquest.org/C002739/AfricaSite/LMSouthIntro.htm

First page....
"Rise to Glory: Kingdoms of the South

INTRODUCTION

The history of Southern Africa and its peoples has been denied many times over. In order to justify the occupation, and colonial settlement of Southern Africa a history was erased. The European settlers claimed that there had been nothing before their arrival. To deny the history of a people, was to deny a cultural heritage, and the identity of a nation.

Archaelogical discoveries uncovered the ruins of past civilizations, and also uncovered the truth. Despite evidence of the existence of these societies, the discoveries were hidden from public view. The true history of South Africa was only until recently, locked away.

The history of Southern Africa can be traced back thousands of years to the ancient societies of the San bushmen."