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garykasparov
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Pooty
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| This is why westerners should never, ever do interviews with Korean broadcasting companies. |
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bovinerebel
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Are there signs that at least some Koreans are starting to question the absurd sillyness of this fiasco ? |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'll post what I said in another thread here.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2891602
Absolutely sparkling, this nest of comsymps have now backed down from their maliciously sown editorial content and their old favorite of playing the race card to try to blame the translator! Komerican, where are you? Come and defend the lies of your comrades and fellow agents of the north. Once again, you have been caught out lying in the name of racial solidarity. |
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Justin Kimberlake
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| All these refutations were out from the moment of broadcast, but Korean emotionalism couldn't be bothered. Now that they realize they are being looked at as parochial buffoons (again) over this, globally, they are "introspecting" and lying their way out of it. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Time for a full-fledged expose on the Korean media. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| This is why the world needs a universal second language. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| This is why the world needs a universal second language. |
English.  Seriously though, this is not the place to push your Esperanto/space exploration/radical new keyboard agenda. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll Bait is correct. PD Diary is not new to the distortion of news to stir up the public. It's the Ann Coulter of Korean media--that's the most serious insult I can think of. JK is also correct. Reasonable and fair reporting has been going on in the conservative media throughout this whole mess, notably in the Chosun Ilbo and JoongAng Ilbo. Many people were paying attention--they just were not demonstrating in the streets about it. A fair number of my students expressed disgust at the demonstrations and some of the outrageous claims being made. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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PD Diary also claimed Tuesday that the host of the show made a simple slip of tongue when he called a downer cow �a cow suspected of being infected with mad cow disease.�
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That's quite a slip of the tongue.
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| PD Diary said Tuesday that �we thought Vinson�s mother, who had no professional medical knowledge, was confused about the two terms,� |
Yes, we interviewed someone to give their accounts of what happened, but then we thought they totally forgot what happened and we decieded to just say what we think happened and pretend she said it. Is Fox News training these yahoos?
I can't believe how utterly Korean this whole thing is. Enter a deal with someone else who is acting on good faith. Go back on the deal, but only the parts that you don't like (even though these parts would benefit you, too, in the long run if you stopped screaming for 2 minutes and actually thought about it). Don't forget to play the cultural/race card! Then, when you're caught in your lies, lie some more and blame others. After all, YOU'RE the victim.
I like most of Korea, but this type of thing seems to happen on the micro and macro level all the time here. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
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PD Diary also claimed Tuesday that the host of the show made a simple slip of tongue when he called a downer cow �a cow suspected of being infected with mad cow disease.�
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That's quite a slip of the tongue.
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| PD Diary said Tuesday that �we thought Vinson�s mother, who had no professional medical knowledge, was confused about the two terms,� |
Yes, we interviewed someone to give their accounts of what happened, but then we thought they totally forgot what happened and we decieded to just say what we think happened and pretend she said it. Is Fox News training these yahoos?
I can't believe how utterly Korean this whole thing is. Enter a deal with someone else who is acting on good faith. Go back on the deal, but only the parts that you don't like (even though these parts would benefit you, too, in the long run if you stopped screaming for 2 minutes and actually thought about it). Don't forget to play the cultural/race card! Then, when you're caught in your lies, lie some more and blame others. After all, YOU'RE the victim.
I like most of Korea, but this type of thing seems to happen on the micro and macro level all the time here. |
Yup. The whole country is run just like a hakwon. The only difference is scale. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| I know some people are not a fan of Noam Chomsky, but he talked about manufacturing consent where the establishment will use propaganda to brainwash people to get them to move in a certain direction. However, there is another twist to this. The opposition to the government on the Left is not support of the free market capitalists as such. They are more into nationalism which runs counter to the capitalist ties that built Korea. However, in the end, they did manufacture the consent of the people who went into protests. If given the proper facts, less Koreans would have protested, and we know that. In the same vein, Americans believed Iraq was a threat to the US, so a war was supported. In that instance the media and government were on the same side. I am not sure what the situation is in Korea. Is the Joong Ang daily a media outlet that veers more to the right or did they simply want to run with a story against a rival? One of Korea's most prominent conservatives left Korea for good some years ago. That should tell you something. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200806/200806260023.html
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| While acknowledging the mistakes it committed, the anchor of "PD Diary" even said it was �painful� to have to explain something that does not need to be explained. |
Does not need to be explained? "It's painful to have to explain that everything we broadcast was totally full of shit." These people aren't really that sorry, are they?
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| This is why the world needs a universal second language. |
It has one. English. I don't mean to hurt your feelings when I say this, but artificially-constructed languages will never take off because very few people feel passion for them. People feel passion for their mother tongue, and write songs, poetry, and novels in them. They use them to speak to their childhood friends and to express their written thoughts in diaries.
And it didn't matter between which two languages the translation took place, because the mistranslation was deliberate, not accidental.
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| �While I was checking the translation, I told the producers repeatedly and strongly that linking a downer cow and mad cow disease is a distortion. Those controversial parts [were not my translation] but later selected by the producers.� |
Mad props to Ms. Jeong for standing up to these scumbags. It's sadly typical that the blame is being put on the 후배/subordinate. In Korea's perverted version of Confucianism, superiors have all the power, none of the responsibility.
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| Its earlier translation of �dairy cow� as �mad cow disease-infected cow� was not a poor translation, but a translation with interpretation, the program argued. |
Well, that's understandable. So many times, when I'm shopping for yogurt, I turn to the clerk and say, "Excuse me ma'am, where is the mad-cow-disease-infected section." You see, I'm translating the word "dairy" with interpretation. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Now, the Joong Ang Daily might be a partisan paper that is anti-MBC and to the right of MBC. Obviously, MBC is interested in nationalism and whipping up hysterica rather than reporting the facts. MBC made itself sound like the National Enquirer. Those mistakes were obviously made on purpose. |
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