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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry to say this, but if this were to become an open forum, it would become a battleground that will eventually spill over into the media.

The same happened on the Chinese Off-Topic forum.
There were tons of posts there that were more off-the-wall than what is found here and it was mentioned on Chinese Television. I think the government threatened to ban Dave's in China unless it was cleaned up.

What did Mr. Sperling do? He made it that only people with usernames and passwords could access it--- I think that was a very smart move......

I mean no disrespect- But people are in contact with Koreans day-in and day-out and they need a place to release their negativity and Dave's is that particular place. This is the fringe benefit of being a member of an anonymous message forum- it allows you a place to vent and rant about your life in 'the land of the morning snore'...........and there are always going to be people who side with you on your opinion and there will be people who are against you.

Can a Korea-basher on this board actually be an apologist in real life? Yeah........The reason people have usernames is so they don't have to reveal their true identities to other users.......and they can unleash their negative vibes here so they can relieve themselves of that 'heaviness' and not have to worry about it in the 'real world'............

In some ways, I am happy I don't speak or read enough Korean to read the Korean blogs or else I would feel deeply offended all day everyday.....I guess you can say 'ignorance could be bliss'.........so there are also Koreans who might feel the same way..........

There might be a director, a co-teacher, or even a secretary who feels deeply annoyed at some of our antics, so they post their rants on sites like Daum or Navar and then they go back to work with us as if nothing has happened............

I guess the point is to take it all in stride and not be offended by everything a person says, especially on an anonymous newsgroup like Dave's........mellow the fuck out!!!!!..................................

This is our place, it has all types of people with all types of opinions...........you don't have to agree with them if you don't want, but thats the balance this place has.............we really don't need the presence of a certain person to make people change- if people want to change, they will change on their own.

But my question will be; why do we want people to change?
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
There are posters who are so bitter that they have repeatedly said that they will never buy a Korean product...


Ah, how about a bit of context here? I'm one of those who acknowledged a boycot of K products (and I'm glad to stay that it's still in effect) but this was linked to their pathetic advertising campaigns in Korea and doesn't in any way equate to bitterness, or a sentiment inclined to attacking Koreans.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggyji wrote:
Ain't I native enough though? Wink 19 years in Korea, 6 years in Canada.


You're writing is incredibly good (and idiomatic) for someone who left at age 19. Did you learn most of your English before you left or after you arrived in Canada?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in_seoul_2003 wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
There are posters who are so bitter that they have repeatedly said that they will never buy a Korean product...


Ah, how about a bit of context here? I'm one of those who acknowledged a boycot of K products (and I'm glad to stay that it's still in effect) but this was linked to their pathetic advertising campaigns in Korea and doesn't in any way equate to bitterness, or a sentiment inclined to attacking Koreans.



As I have already said above, this does not apply to all posters who boycott Korean products. I can only say that my comment was not made with you in mind.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
I am sorry to say this, but if this were to become an open forum, it would become a battleground that will eventually spill over into the media.

The same happened on the Chinese Off-Topic forum.
There were tons of posts there that were more off-the-wall than what is found here and it was mentioned on Chinese Television. I think the government threatened to ban Dave's in China unless it was cleaned up.

What did Mr. Sperling do? He made it that only people with usernames and passwords could access it--- I think that was a very smart move......

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Exactly my point. What do you (in the generic sense) think would happen if threads like the below made it on to television (see psychedelic and BadPegge's comments)

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=70712&start=0
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure this site is monitored by the higher ups in the EPIK program, the government, hagwon associations, hagwons, head teachers, and others. They can pick you out if you disclosed where you are or what school you're at or even track your IP so it's best to say really sensitive things in person to someone who needs to hear about it or just refrain.

I'm sure there are discreet Koreans on here...
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it be a good idea if Mr. Sperling did the same for the Korean forums as he did for the Chinese Off-Topic Forum?


I think that would be a good idea because it would allow for more anonymity and freedom for the posters to write whatever is on their mind and such.......Also, it would make it harder for non-members to read things that would be considered sensitive to society.....

One of the alternatives to that would be to keep those bitter feelings bottled up and our society doesn't teach people to be that way- People in places like the US and Canada are taught to be individuals and to express whats on their mind.....because if people don't, the only alternative is more grim to think about....and a possible psychosis could develop (I know it sounds funny, but it is VERY true........)

But the other side of the argument is that a Korean can view these comments as a slight against his/her home and against their ethnic identity.........They can misconstrue these comments to the point that it can cause misunderstandings between the Korea public and the foreign expatriate community...........to hell with 'might', alot of things are being posted on the Korean blogs and they are being grossly distorted to give foreign teachers a bad image............

So there is a choice a person has to make when deciding what to post here; Do they want people to know what is going on and let people learn from their experience and possibly get advice OR do they consider the situation they are in and try to keep the situation on a personal level as not to "bite the hand that feeds you"?

Foreigners are neither asked nor encouraged to join in any Korean chat forum as Koreans feel that their situations are 'beyond the ralm of understanding for a foreigner' (a reference of what was said to me once during an office meeting that included all teachers, but the material only pertained to the Korean staff)

For us to ask Koreans to join would be like to have babysitters watch over what we say and how we think.........I think that is utterly childish.......
If they want to join, let them join and let them contribute constructively to the forums........


.........................But to ask them to join for the sake of silencing the opinion of a vocal minority is not right, IMHO...........................
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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aka Dave wrote:


My students are very mature and sophisticated, and could "handle" Daves, I just think it would be a misrepresentation of actual foreign attitudes.




Well, I am a Korean and I had some degree of respect for foreign English teachers in korea before I read this forum, but since I start to read this
forum, I don't have any respect for English teachers at all and if my government decide to kick out all English teachers tomorrow, I will be with my goverment.

I wish/hope governemt official at high position who make decision of English educatuon in korea need to look at this forum.
There is just so many things not right here.
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mrgiles



Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lmao!!! the previous post is what the (tr)O(ll) P was wishing for! it took a while, but now let the fun begin...
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
aka Dave wrote:


My students are very mature and sophisticated, and could "handle" Daves, I just think it would be a misrepresentation of actual foreign attitudes.




Well, I am a Korean and I had some degree of respect for foreign English teachers in korea before I read this forum, but since I start to read this
forum, I don't have any respect for English teachers at all and if my government decide to kick out all English teachers tomorrow, I will be with my goverment.

I wish/hope governemt official at high position who make decision of English educatuon in korea need to look at this forum.
There is just so many things not right here.


Ah yes, I see. You wish to see a grand return of General Park Chung Hee rule with severe censorship of the press and repression of opinion or dissent.

Ahh . . . no. Rolling Eyes

I'd be more in agreement with you if you were to decide to kick yourself out of these boards.
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
aka Dave wrote:


My students are very mature and sophisticated, and could "handle" Daves, I just think it would be a misrepresentation of actual foreign attitudes.




Well, I am a Korean and I had some degree of respect for foreign English teachers in korea before I read this forum, but since I start to read this
forum, I don't have any respect for English teachers at all and if my government decide to kick out all English teachers tomorrow, I will be with my goverment.

I wish/hope governemt official at high position who make decision of English educatuon in korea need to look at this forum.
There is just so many things not right here.


Why? Give an example? I remember the thread that generated alot of heat from teachers when Naver or Daum had sytematically chosen to use English education materials for Korean kids that were unequivocally racist (ten little Indians song with a Korean punching little Indians).

Was it a coincidence that those materials were pulled immediately after the thread developed? I think not. And if that wasn't an example of a constructive thread, why did the Koreans feel the urgent need to re-asses their choice of materials?
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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
[BAHHHHHAAAHHH! Thanks for the laugh. That made me chortle out loud. Well played sir. Just as an aside can you point to say 3-4 recent threads dealing with Korea that are positive and pro-Korean?


I like living in Korea.
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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
[I had some degree of respect for foreign English teachers in korea before I read this forum, but since I start to read this
forum, I don't have any respect for English teachers at all and if my government decide to kick out all English teachers tomorrow, I will be with my goverment.

I wish/hope governemt official at high position who make decision of English educatuon in korea need to look at this forum.
There is just so many things not right here.


Something is not right with your thinking. This forum only acccurately represents users on this forum.

You have to do some kind of broad based statistical research on foreign English teachers to even approach that kind of opinion. Even then, you'd still need us in your country Cool
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Temporary



Joined: 13 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
aka Dave wrote:


My students are very mature and sophisticated, and could "handle" Daves, I just think it would be a misrepresentation of actual foreign attitudes.




Well, I am a Korean and I had some degree of respect for foreign English teachers in korea before I read this forum, but since I start to read this
forum, I don't have any respect for English teachers at all and if my government decide to kick out all English teachers tomorrow, I will be with my goverment.

I wish/hope governemt official at high position who make decision of English educatuon in korea need to look at this forum.
There is just so many things not right here.


You are a flip floping moron. Your threads contain some of the dumbest shit posted on dave's. If Koreans arre like that on Dave's then I have no respect for any Koreans on dave's. Any time I stumbled onto your posts or threads I swear my IQ droped couple points.
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
aka Dave wrote:


My students are very mature and sophisticated, and could "handle" Daves, I just think it would be a misrepresentation of actual foreign attitudes.




Well, I am a Korean and I had some degree of respect for foreign English teachers in korea before I read this forum, but since I start to read this
forum, I don't have any respect for English teachers at all and if my government decide to kick out all English teachers tomorrow, I will be with my goverment.

I wish/hope governemt official at high position who make decision of English educatuon in korea need to look at this forum.
There is just so many things not right here.


You'd base the national English educational policy based on one anonymous internet forum?

You have very little understanding of both educational policy and the internet.
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