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SpiralStaircase
Joined: 14 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: 'Born live' or 'born alive' |
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About 20 to 40 young are (born alive or born live), encased in a thin membrane that the mother scorpion helps break open.
Okay grammar Nazis:
Which and why? |
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nobbyken

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: Yongin ^^
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: 'Born live' or 'born alive' |
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SpiralStaircase wrote: |
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About 20 to 40 young are (born alive or born live), encased in a thin membrane that the mother scorpion helps break open. |
Sentence doesn't sound natural.
About 20 to 40 young are born, and live encased in a thin membrane which the mother scorpion helps to break open.
Sorry, no grammar nazi here, but I would word it differently as it sounds awkward. |
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Omkara

Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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To Live; To Alive
To Be Live; To Be Alive
"Live" can be either a verb or an adjective, whereas "Alive" cannot.
So, either is okay in this case. They are both adjectives. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Bearing live young means as opposed to laying eggs.
Born alive is the opposite of born dead or stillborn.
It's not a grammar issue at all: it's a difference in usage and application. |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Reminds me of that 80's song.."Born to be alive"  |
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Omkara

Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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It is both a grammar issue and a usage issue. The post I put up earlier points to the grammatical issue. The difference in the grammatical values makes the judgment of the sentence a little more complex.
But I agree with the other poster who points out that it is not a grammatical use--in this particular sentence. The words have some different applications. In some cases, both are correct. In others, one or the other is correct. |
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warren pease

Joined: 12 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Like others have said, both are essentially gramaticaly acceptable. However, "born alive" is redundant without any additional information or allusions to them being born dead.
"born live" is more specific as it implies a birth rather than a hatching.
Even still the sentence is awkward at best. I think the correct way to phrase the sentence, assuming that "live or alive" is required, is as follows:
About 20 to 40 are born live, and encased in a thin membrane that the mother scorpion helps to break open. |
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The Grumpy Senator

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Location: Up and down the 6 line
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have always used "live born" in my science classes, as in: "About 20 to 40 young are live born, encased......" |
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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If you really must string all that together I suggest the following:
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The mother scorpion bears 20-40 live young, each encased in a membrane that the mother helps break open. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Both are correct. |
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