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My pickle: Computer or TV and Xbox/PSIII?
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traxxe



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: My pickle: Computer or TV and Xbox/PSIII? Reply with quote

So I want to get either a new TV and a console or a new computer.

If I get a computer I want to at least have gaming potential on it and not at low settings either. Will 1 mil won serve that purpose for system and a monitor? What would you guys suggest I get at Yongsan if I go that route? I could maybe swing upwards of 1.1/1.2.

The other option is a tv and console:

What will the same budget get in the way of high def and gaming systems?

A computer would give two computers to my household which is a plus.
It also has game potential for me.

A high def would be nice too. I would like to explore the world of high def which I've yet to do.

I could get use out of a console though I'm not as into gaming as I used to be. I'd probably want a PSIII for the blue-ray. Though are TV's even available cheaply with 1080p capability?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: My pickle: Computer or TV and Xbox/PSIII? Reply with quote

traxxe wrote:
So I want to get either a new TV and a console or a new computer.

If I get a computer I want to at least have gaming potential on it and not at low settings either. Will 1 mil won serve that purpose for system and a monitor? What would you guys suggest I get at Yongsan if I go that route? I could maybe swing upwards of 1.1/1.2.

The other option is a tv and console:

What will the same budget get in the way of high def and gaming systems?

A computer would give two computers to my household which is a plus.
It also has game potential for me.

A high def would be nice too. I would like to explore the world of high def which I've yet to do.

I could get use out of a console though I'm not as into gaming as I used to be. I'd probably want a PSIII for the blue-ray. Though are TV's even available cheaply with 1080p capability?


600k gets you into a quad core machine with a 512 mb-GT8600 video card.
250-350k gets you a pretty nice monitor / TV.
then get your gaming console too....

nice to have the option of having your cake and eating it too.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/DSCI0001.jpg

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traxxe



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, I'm behind on the times. Didn't know the monitor/tv thing is viable. It never occured to me.

I lost technologicaly relevance sometime after the peak of the Voodoo III card Razz

Is 2gb enough ram for gaming? Or should I upgrade to four on a system like that?

Do you have experience with that shop or is that a generic anyone will do price range sort of picture? If ttompatz reccommends the place just give me the directions and I'll hit it up Razz)
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traxxe



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the 256 after the video card represent the memory? Or is it 512. Damn ... how technology flies.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traxxe wrote:
Man, I'm behind on the times. Didn't know the monitor/tv thing is viable. It never occured to me.

I lost technologicaly relevance sometime after the peak of the Voodoo III card Razz

Is 2gb enough ram for gaming? Or should I upgrade to four on a system like that?

Do you have experience with that shop or is that a generic anyone will do price range sort of picture? If ttompatz reccommends the place just give me the directions and I'll hit it up Razz)


Pricing is competitive so you can find similar prices anywhere.

I shop there and I am happy with the merchandise as well as the service, after service and price.

J-tech computers in the son-in plaza.

Go in the left door, down to the end of the hall and turn right. It is about 1/2 way down the next hall on the right hand side.

On a slow day there they will do more volume in 2 hours than any 10 places combined over at the I'Park mall (above Yongsan station) and they give a no hassle A/S.

2 gigs of RAM for your computer is ample and all that windows can handle (unless you go with a 64bit version).

The pic is 256mb of RAM on the video card but the difference to bump up to 512mb is only a few k-won.

They will pick the parts (new in the box) off the shelf, hand them to the tech and he will build it while you wait/watch. In and out in about an hour.

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jazblanc77



Joined: 22 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're really looking for a way to game, I say get that TV and an Xbox360. I say this because with a console, you will never have to upgrade your system to be able to play the next generation of coolio games. Your console will always support whichever games you pop into it. Gaming via a console is really the most affordable way to do things in the longterm.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
2 gigs of RAM for your computer is ample and all that windows can handle (unless you go with a 64bit version).


Erm....
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go x64... you can pick up clk:4, 4g ram for under 100,000 now.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
2 gigs of RAM for your computer is ample and all that windows can handle (unless you go with a 64bit version).


Erm....


OP, I agree. If you are running XP, then 2gigs of ram will suffice. If you are running Vista, then 4 will be a must for things to run smoothly.
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traxxe



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay...

I bought the system that was advertised. It took me a while to find J-Tech. In fact I completely missed it. I looked around and found a large shop. It had the lowest prices I had seen. It didn't have a name on it.. just Saphhire advertising. I bought the system which has the same specs as the picture and looks similiar. I figured it was probably the place... then I sit down and wait on the other side for my system to be put together ands ee the sign for the store on that side.

The new prices on the Quad system is 553 by the way. I uprgraded to 2 2 gig sims and paid 601 with tax.

So same system but with 4 gigs and two slots still open. I'll probably try and run a 64 bit OS. I'm downloading Vista 64 as I type. Hopefully it works ugh. I could not find any copies there that weren't legit Sad

Oh, the video card. They told me the 256 version was better than the 512 because the 512 uses DDR2 and the 256 DDR3 memory. This is true, about the DDR2/DDR3. Trying to find out if this is true after this post.

I bought a monitor.... tell me what you guys think:

I asked a guy who told me if I wanted to play PS3 I needed an HD capable monitor... I got a 22 inch for 310,000. The non HD version of it was 258,000. The Brand is Lumion:

It came with a tv remote, has a bunch of inputs I don't recognize.

Here is the website but I can't understand much of it: http://www.lumion.co.kr/

Then click on the HDTV 2203HD link to see what I got.

From what I can tell:

It has an HDMI input, I see 720p, 1080i, 1920/1080i... I'm assuming it won't do 1080p which is the PS3 max Res right? The Xbox is 1080i?

The Resolution later says 1680X1050... is that PC res? What the heck is 1920/1080i then?

It also seems cool that if I have the tv and computer plugged in at the same time I can PIP both. Is that standard these days?

Help is appreciated of course. If I got robbed, tell me, that's cool. My fault for being ignorant.
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traxxe



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay...

Found some articles and hey indicate the 256 version of the card is faster and superior thanks to the DDR3 memory.

Now my immediate debate is XP 64 or Vista 64... it looks like games like Crysis cannot run on high unless they have DX 10. Some articles I read say DX10 is a Windows Vista release and not XP. So Direct X 10 games will be Vista only? Is that right?

I have 4 gigs of memory. It seems a 32 bit OS supports less than 4 gig so it is in my definite best interest to go 64 bit and pray my hardware is recognized/supported.

Anyway, some insight on the monitor would be appreciated. I'm twiddling my thumbs awhile while I download 64 bit Operating Systems.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traxxe wrote:
Okay...

Found some articles and hey indicate the 256 version of the card is faster and superior thanks to the DDR3 memory.

Now my immediate debate is XP 64 or Vista 64... it looks like games like Crysis cannot run on high unless they have DX 10. Some articles I read say DX10 is a Windows Vista release and not XP. So Direct X 10 games will be Vista only? Is that right?

I have 4 gigs of memory. It seems a 32 bit OS supports less than 4 gig so it is in my definite best interest to go 64 bit and pray my hardware is recognized/supported.

Anyway, some insight on the monitor would be appreciated. I'm twiddling my thumbs awhile while I download 64 bit Operating Systems.


Dude, you are telling me that articles are telling you that 256mb of DDR3 is faster than 512 of DDR2? Shocked

I don't believe it. Post the link. No card with 256mb will run any game well. Not even F.E.A.R. that has been out for some time now.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP: You did OK. I don't know bout your TV (not familiar with that one) but the whitebox is OK for the price.

The video card is OK for games running DX9 but you will want to upgrade to a DX10 card in the future for really high end games. No worry. You didn't spend big bucks on the card so it won't hurt to toss it out if/when you do decide to go DX10.

In regards to the RAM... 32bit xp or 32 bit vista can only address just over 3 gigs of RAM so you will need the 64 bit flavor of one of them. The hardware is new enough that everything should have vista drivers as well as xp drivers. xp64 is not really an xp kernel so you are probably better off with vista64.

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traxxe



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/245791-33-about-8600gt-512mb-256mb

Anyway, just search for it. The consensus is that the DDR2 512 mb does not access it's memory fast enough to justify it. The 256 at DDR 3 outperforms the 512 version.

That said, doesn't look like it is the greatest card out there. So I'll be upgrading in a month or two probably. We'll see how it rolls first.

There's a ton of forum articles on this question but not a ton of benchmarks.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
What the heck is 1920/1080i then?


That's "full HD" resolution. You can only get it if your TV/Monitor is "full HD"
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