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[mises]

[Nowhere Man]

Did someone summon me?

Yes, let me join in:

[Big_Bird]

My brain has been lying to me. In public!!!!

[Gopher]

[Gopher]

Now that we have recontextualized that in proper format, I will respond. I can see you are going to make this into something personal, something about me.

I cited Jan Vansina and his research and findings, above. It remains crystal clear that no one here has ever read him. You have all more or less failed to actually look into this thing you are so eager to pronounce judgement on and then defend to the death. What a surprise. Therefore I will cite him in at length, later today. And I will consider your questions if you consider mine: why are you so predisposed to consider this process "lies?"

[Nowhere Man]

OK sir, you do that. Meanwhile, Ima keep track of the tactics you use along the way:

1. Exaggeration

[bucheon bum]

[mithridates]

[Big_Bird]

What you think you remember you saw written here, was probably just an editted memory and wildly inaccurate. Your brain was lying to you - AGAIN!

[Gopher]

My ever-so-persistently-nagging Mrs. Gopher: this thread, copying the article, frames and reduces the entire process to "lies," an inflammatory concept to say the least. Then OP presents this story as having to do with "bullshit." Bacasper then endorses this and adds "false memories were created for us." Then Czarjorge comments about "the people in power" -- that is, the W. Bush Administration -- controlling the media and brainwashing the population in order to stay in power.

Then I responded, by citing Jan Vansina's well-known research on oral history, memory, recollection, and how human brains tend to function with respect to such Homo-sapiens-wide phenomena as "selective memory," etc. It is not a partisan issue in the least; and "lies" is the last word I would employ to describe this process. Note especially that the peoples and cultures Vansina studies are not only not Americans but they are also not Republicans or "the people in power," either. This represents the beginning and the end of what I offer to this discussion. (What, by the way, do you offer to this discussion of substance? Nothing. There is no substance to you.)

Then IMF Crisis, apparently your sock, at least she or he embraces your childish, personal methods, posts the very revealing fact that I had corrected several spelling errors from my post.

Then Ya-ta Boy introduced Stephen Pinker, which might have brought the conversation into new and interesting directions. But no.

Big_Bird had to egg IMF on, and then Ddeubel joined in the attack, alluding that I would be fit for Fox News, which most of the wild-eyed radical mob here regularly denounce as "lies" or something close enough, in any case.

Then Ddeubel further responds that I "refuse to see TRUTH," a concept closely related to "lies," indeed TRUTH's opposite, according to many, and that, moreover, someone my position on this thread aims to argue, in some sneaky way, that "them there those are dumbwits and deserved it," in quotations no less, as if I had actually ever uttered such a phrase anywhere on this message board at any time.

Finally, you come back with your cowardly, internet-anonymous aggression and bravado, back in my face, accusing me of making this discussion about "lies" when no one has suggested or supported the idea that "lies" describes the process? Even listing all of the other posters who have posted on this thread by name?

What a bitch.

[Gopher]

That being said, here is a small excerpt showing how Vansina describes the process -- and note that he describes it without politicizing or sensationalizing it, or calling it "lying."

[Czarjorge]

My good friend Fred Grandy,

What got you all worked up? Was it something I said?

Gopher blathered:

[Gopher]

First, just so we are clear: you explain IMF Crisis's intent as if you authored the "comment." You are apparently the same poster, then? And "doing what I was yelling about?" Who was yelling? Are you telling me that this began with your attributing a tone of voice to me that was not mine and then you responded to that, to your imagination? Typical.

Also, "Defender of the Right," "People of the Left," your fixations on Fox News personalities and their exact politics. You remain a collection of dogmatic morons who cannot see past these two extreme choices. So you attack anyone who does not share your far left views as your opposite. Dogs and their tails. ROFL.

Further, your elements of "a lie" exclude quite a few things, Jorgito, especially how these elements come into play when people accuse others of "lying!" Take Lying Lies and the Liars Who Tell Them, for one. Just talking about "inaccurate statements," hmm?

Next, I have no problem in seeing humor. I do have a problem with people making threads about me personally, especially when you lie (there's your neutral word! How do you like it?), when you speak about me personally, ridiculing me, etc., for paragraphs (see above), while "claiming" that you merely "want an actual discussion instead of a slap fight over minor details."

In any case, I offered you an actual discussion on this, on memory, one that dissented from the article you posted. And you and several others have chosen to ignore it.

You have instead chosen to politicize what should have been an interesting issue for the sake of contratulating yourself on your own humor and also in order to take yet more cheap shots at "the Right," "Fox News," and a host of other of the left's evil, super-demonized demons. So be it. Welcome to Dave's ESL Cafe Current Events "discussions."

[bucheon bum]

[Ya-ta Boy]