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some waygug-in
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Zenas
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If both Mercedes and Ford have a vested interest in Ballard Power Systems, might be a company to watch.
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Jandar
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This is not a Paradigm shift.
It's a shift in the carbon footprint, and not a reduction..
It is not a reduction in pollution by any stretch.
Until electricity is can be harnessed from sources other than oil, coal and gas (including so called bio-fuels) there will be no change.
When you have a vehicle that can run 8 hours on a single 8 hour charge from a solar source with an area less than or equal to the area of the vehicle than I will agree that there has been a revolution in energy and locomotion.
Yes, these experiments are noble and moving the right direction but none offer ny real reduction in emission they just move the exhaust pipe to the smoke stack.
There is an other form of sun power that is being completely ignored. |
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doc_ido
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| As concept cars go, this isn't really a leap forwards. Most car manufacturers have had electric, petrol-hybrid and fuel cell models out for years; this just brings them together. At 2.5 tons and a few million dollars, though, this one isn't going into mass production anytime soon. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Ford's new plug-in hybrid. |
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I would take out a loan if I could buy one. |
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mindmetoo
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Given most of our peak electricity is generated by spot coal plants, an electric car, if used in numbers, is just a car that burns coal but not in your backyard.
And let's not even get into the toxic chemicals we'll have to generate to make batteries.
Anyway, I used to think the coal argument was a good argument against the electric car but then I rationalized if we started buying them in large number, there's no way people would tolerate the government building new coal plants. We'd demand clean electricity. |
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Bigfeet
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Location: Grrrrr.....
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| We need to start replacing coal plants with nuclear plants since we can control where the waste go. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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GM is working on a similar project
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| With the Chevy Volt, General Motors�battered, struggling for profitability, fed up with being eclipsed by Toyota and the Prius�is out to reinvent the automobile, and itself. |
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| When one of the world�s mightiest corporations throws everything it�s got at a project, and when it shreds its rule book in the process, the results are likely to be impressive. Still, even for General Motors, the Volt is a reach. If it meets specifications, it will charge up overnight from any standard electrical socket. It will go 40 miles on a charge. Then a small gasoline engine will ignite. The engine�s sole job will be to drive a generator, whose sole job will be to maintain the battery�s charge�not to drive the wheels, which will never see anything but electricity. In generator mode, the car will drive hundreds of miles on a tank of gas, at about 50 miles per gallon. But about three-fourths of Americans commute less than 40 miles a day, so on most days most Volt drivers would use no gas at all. |
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Zenas
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Bigfeet wrote: |
| We need to start replacing coal plants with nuclear plants since we can control where the waste go. |
Can we put that waste in your neighborhood?
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Zenas wrote: |
| Bigfeet wrote: |
| We need to start replacing coal plants with nuclear plants since we can control where the waste go. |
Can we put that waste in your neighborhood?
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No. But we can put it in the Canadian shield. North America is big, like your bullet shaped head. Lots of out of the way places to put it. |
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