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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Theres a reason israelis don't want palestinians hanging around their villages. They have a habit of bombing and killing them. How would you know the shepherds aren't casually staking the place out in order to kill a few women and children? If they can strap bombs to unknowing disabled people, they can probably strap bombs to wandering goats for pitys sakes. |
Prior to the occupation, Jews and Palestinians coexisted peacefully side by side. To this day, Palestinians are willing to go back to that state of equality, but presently Israel relegates them to status as second class citizens.
And let's be clear here that the prejudice is not anti-Semitic but anti-Zionist. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
| Theres a reason israelis don't want palestinians hanging around their villages. They have a habit of bombing and killing them. How would you know the shepherds aren't casually staking the place out in order to kill a few women and children? If they can strap bombs to unknowing disabled people, they can probably strap bombs to wandering goats for pitys sakes. |
Prior to the occupation, Jews and Palestinians coexisted peacefully side by side. To this day, Palestinians are willing to go back to that state of equality, but presently Israel relegates them to status as second class citizens.
And let's be clear here that the prejudice is not anti-Semitic but anti-Zionist. |
eh no offense but your perception of Palestinians there is a bit one-sided and simplistic. Sure, some Palestinians are like that but certainly not a large # of them. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Israel would do itself a huge favor if it would give up the settlements. Were they to do so they could really simplfy the issue of the area and it would be a lot easier to see who was right and wrong then.
They ought to avail themselves of the opportunity. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Israel would do itself a huge favor if it would give up the settlements. Were they to do so they could really simplfy the issue of the area and it would be a lot easier to see who was right and wrong then.
They ought to avail themselves of the opportunity. |
It's not that simple. You'd annoy a lot of voters and their supporters in the government. Maybe enough to bring it down. The government has to tread carefully. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Israelis Assault Award Winning IPS Journalist |
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Translation of your post: ' I got my ass handed to me, so I'm going to link to a TOTALLY UNRELATED event that nobody even bought up.'
The thread is about settlers attacking a elderly couple in the West Bank.
I see none of those in the link you posted...try again. |
No, I thought it was close enough to the topic rather than start a whole new thread. Didn't think it was so complicated. Sorry. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Israel's front-line thugs
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Of late, there has been a steady stream of brutal assaults carried out by settlers against their Palestinian neighbours in the West Bank, right under the noses of the lackadaisical army. The phenomenon is, sadly, nothing new; what has brought the story back into the spotlight are the efforts of human rights groups, such as B'Tselem to film the violence and document the shocking reality on the ground � which is why, it seems, the authorities are so keen to clamp down on their activity in the region.
However, the settlers don't confine their vindictive and vicious attacks to Palestinians; they are not averse to attacking their Jewish peers either. Two recent incidents amply demonstrated the extent to which the Wild West Bank has become bandit country, with no sheriff's posse daring to stand up to the rogue elements holding the region at ransom.
First up was a Breaking the Silence tour to Hebron, whose bus was surrounded by jeering settlers who blocked their path and showered those aboard with abuse. Instead of intervening on behalf of the victims of the threatening mob, the police "did not manage to disperse the mob", "no arrests were made", and in the end they simply ordered the tour group to return from whence they came.
Then another Breaking the Silence group came under attack from settler vigilantes, who doused the participants with boiling water after confronting them in the streets of Hebron and heckling them with cries of "traitor", and other such hostile invective.
For anyone who's been to Hebron, Kiryat Arba, or any of the settlements which play home to the extremist hardcore of the settler movement, incidents such as those in Hebron, or the assaults in Susiya, are by no means surprising. Being subjected to settler abuse and attack is part and parcel of the experience for Israeli left-wingers and Palestinian locals alike.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Shooting back at the settlers
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| Palestinians have begun filming attacks by Jewish settlers - with help from an Israeli human rights organisation |
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Last week the BBC carried video footage of a Jewish settler attack on Palestinian farmers in the West Bank. The attack was filmed thanks to a video advocacy project arranged by the Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem. The aim of the project is to empower Palestinian families and increase public awareness of their harassment. The over 100 cameras distributed by B'Tselem give Palestinian communities the opportunity to document attacks by Israeli soldiers and settlers in a medium that is less likely to be ignored or disputed by Israeli authorities than oral testimony.
The video depicts three people, an old couple and their nephew, being lynched by four youths near the village of Susia, south of Hebron. The BBC should be applauded for giving the story major coverage on its World News service. Jewish settler violence towards Palestinians is widespread but is rarely given widespread media coverage.
The attack represents a microcosm of Palestinian dispossession in the West Bank. Indeed the village is a story of dispossession and violence in itself. The people of Susia used to live in a number of ancient cave dwellings, one of the oldest and most unique habitats in the region. In 1986 they were evicted by the Israeli army to make way for a Jewish settlement. They managed to hold on to some of the cave dwellings in the outskirts of the town but that was only a temporary reprieve. "In 1997 I went to register our land [with the Israeli authorities]," recalls the farmer Muhammed Nawaja, "but they refused saying we were not allowed. They did not give any reason." In 2001 Israeli authorities ordered the demolition of these remaining dwellings.
Such acts are not out of the ordinary. According to a United Nations report last year, Israel denies permission to 94% of Palestinian structures in areas of the West Bank under its full control like Susia. Israel has full control of around 64% of the West Bank. Dwellings not authorised by Israel are liable to be demolished at any time.
As I saw with my own eyes three weeks ago, Susia is now a collection of tents and partially-built structures surrounded on three sides by Israeli settlements and a military outpost. Where once there were 800 families living in Susia, today there are only 26 left. From time to time even these humble dwellings are at risk. At one point in the summer of 2001 the villagers were forced to live under trees for four months after their tents were destroyed. They were eventually replaced by the Red Cross although there is lingering uncertainty as to their continued presence. Settlers frequently set fire to crops and the tents, particularly on Friday and Saturday after Sabbath prayers.
So far, the Israeli authorities have appeared unwilling to investigate settler violence. There are now reports from Israel that two youths have been arrested in relation to the attack documented in the video. If they are prosecuted it will be the first of its kind in the Susia region. Villagers in Susia say that settlers shot dead two elderly farmers after their eviction in 1986 and routinely harass others. According to B'Tselem, no one from the settlements has ever been convicted for those murders or attacks.
Despite their indifference towards the Palestinian population, Israeli police and military forces provide 24-hour protection to every Jewish settlement. After I witnessed a clash between settlers and Palestinian villagers at at-Tuwani, a Palestinian village close to Susia, two Israeli army jeeps arrived within 10 minutes. The soldiers duly confronted the Palestinian community and ignored the settlers who continued to hurl abuse.
Most Palestinian men in the region have been detained at some point in their adult lives, often merely for not possessing a valid ID card or on the suspicion that they were involved in clashes with settlers. While Israeli law allows settlers to carry weapons, and it is not uncommon to see teenage settler boys carrying M-16s, Palestinians are forbidden from carrying even rudimentary weapons such as knives or clubs.
The BBC report finally exposes the everyday violence many Palestinians face. Sadly, however, it is but the tip of the iceberg.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Shooting back at the settlers
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| Palestinians have begun filming attacks by Jewish settlers - with help from an Israeli human rights organisation |
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Last week the BBC carried video footage of a Jewish settler attack on Palestinian farmers in the West Bank. The attack was filmed thanks to a video advocacy project arranged by the Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem. The aim of the project is to empower Palestinian families and increase public awareness of their harassment. The over 100 cameras distributed by B'Tselem give Palestinian communities the opportunity to document attacks by Israeli soldiers and settlers in a medium that is less likely to be ignored or disputed by Israeli authorities than oral testimony.
The video depicts three people, an old couple and their nephew, being lynched by four youths near the village of Susia, south of Hebron. The BBC should be applauded for giving the story major coverage on its World News service. Jewish settler violence towards Palestinians is widespread but is rarely given widespread media coverage.
The Guardian or whoever wrote this nonsense should really consult a dictionary. "Lynched"? And I would like to see links that prove Jewish settler violence towards Palestinians is widespread...saying it is so, doesn't make it so. Sorry, but if they only have the vaguest idea of what "lynched" means, then I'm going to need something more than their word.
Most Palestinian men in the region have been detained at some point in their adult lives, often merely for not possessing a valid ID card or on the suspicion that they were involved in clashes with settlers. While Israeli law allows settlers to carry weapons, and it is not uncommon to see teenage settler boys carrying M-16s, Palestinians are forbidden from carrying even rudimentary weapons such as knives or clubs.
Yep, Hamas and Fatah are in fact peaceful and unarmed organizations
The BBC report finally exposes the everyday violence many Palestinians face. Sadly, however, it is but the tip of the iceberg.
Even more sadly is that much of this violence is Palestinian on Palestinian violence...a fact which is completely ignored here. Nothing like skewing the facts/omitting those which don't agree with one's points.
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| The Israelis spending American tax dollars on baseball bats so they can act like neo-Nazi skinheads is uncool and only makes life more dangerous for me and all Americans everywhere. |
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