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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| You mean the women who screwed the entire country out of REAL change in our healthcare coverage because it wasn't her idea? |
Go back and review the record. Hillary's efforts on healthcare reform were compromised by Republicans, a few Democrats, and finally Bill himself. Bill wanted to deal with the economy and did not have the political capital for an ambitious healthcare reform. Hillary's healthcare plan was discussed in many meetings and was done so openly. America was not ready for the healthcare plan offered, certainly not politically and perhaps not even as a society.
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| Lets's not forget who takes more money from the healthcare industry than anyother senator republican or democrat-- Hillary Clinton. |
When you make assertions its common to put links. IOW, I'm calling horseshi*t on this claim.
The comparisons between Hillary and Nixon are laughable.
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Obama..... |
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| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
Vote Obama. Screw McCain. |
America may better off with Obama, but what about Korea ?
I am begining to feel korea may better off with McCain.
I have to think what is best for korea, not what is best for America. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody knows how America would fare under Obama, because nobody really knows what he would do. It might be interesting to find out, but it'll never happen.
McCain's going to win it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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McCain's going to win it. |
What do you base that on, exactly?
Here's Obama polling 51-36 against McCain.
Meanwhile, 52-33 prefer a Democratic Congress to a Republican one. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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McCain's going to win it. |
What do you base that on, exactly?
Here's Obama polling 51-36 against McCain.
Meanwhile, 52-33 prefer a Democratic Congress to a Republican one. |
Those numbers are based on polls - not folks who will actually show up to vote.
It would be interesting to see Obama win the office. I'd like to see what he could do.
Thank the Almighty that Hillary didn't somehow miraculously slide in there. That would have been worse than any other scenario. |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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You are right Kuros, I should have posted links:
so here is Hillary Clinton taking money, and I was mistaken she is number 2 in taking contributions from the healthcare industry MY BAD:
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/healthcare_clinton/index.htm
And here are a few articles on how she had most of the blame for screwing us on real healthcare reform:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFD71E3EF93AA35752C1A965958260
http://politics.nashvillecityblogs.com/?p=441
do a short a google search of Jim Cooper and Hillary Clinton and you can find all you want on that debacle.
The comparison is an exagerration yes, but hardly laughable. Look at how she ran her primary campaign with her race-baiting tactics in South Carolina and West Virgina and her attempts at not tossing aside accusations of his being a muslim. The way and which she always made a point of referencing herself and her husband, and John McCain as REAL Americans but always was obvious in her ommisions of Obama. ALL reminiscient of Nixon's Southern Strategy when her ran for President. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you. I reviewed the link.
I don't think there's anything particularly alarming or damning about accepting money from insurance companies. Especially considering that:
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| Donations from lawyers, retirees as well as Wall Street, real estate and the entertainment industries have all topped her contributions from health care. She is also the No. 1 recipient from each of those sectors. |
IOW, Hillary was popular in 2006 because people thought she would be the next Democratic nominee.
I tried to link to Clinton's health care plan on her website, but it has been taken down. Probably because she is so evil. Anyway, every politician takes money if they can. So this seems like a pretty hollow charge. Even Capt. Change refused to accept public financing because it would interfere with private contributions.
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And here are a few articles on how she had most of the blame for screwing us on real healthcare reform:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFD71E3EF93AA35752C1A965958260
http://politics.nashvillecityblogs.com/?p=441
do a short a google search of Jim Cooper and Hillary Clinton and you can find all you want on that debacle.
The comparison is an exagerration yes, but hardly laughable. Look at how she ran her primary campaign with her race-baiting tactics in South Carolina and West Virgina and her attempts at not tossing aside accusations of his being a muslim. The way and which she always made a point of referencing herself and her husband, and John McCain as REAL Americans but always was obvious in her ommisions of Obama. ALL reminiscient of Nixon's Southern Strategy when her ran for President. |
Obama is every bit as bad. The media covered Bill's explosion, but was tone-deaf to Obama's more subtle race game.
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Which brings me to South Carolina, where I was born and raised. I was there before and during the primary. Recall the moment. Obama was gaining on Clinton--but had also just lost New Hampshire and Nevada. A loss in South Carolina, and he would have been done for.
It's worth remembering that the majority of blacks still think O.J. Simpson is innocent. And, in times like these, when a black man is out front in the public eye, black people feel both proud and vulnerable and, as a result, scour the earth for evidence of racists plotting to bring him down, like an advance team ready to sound an alarm. Barack needed only a gesture, a quick sneer or nod in the direction of the Clintons' hidden racism to avail himself of the twisted love that rescued O.J. and others like him and to smooth his path to victory, and, therefore, to salvage his candidacy. After Donna Brazile and James Clyburn started to cry racism, Barack was repeatedly asked his thoughts. He declined to answer, allowing the charge to grow for days (in sharp contrast to how he leapt to Joe Biden's defense a month earlier). But, while he remained silent about the allegations of racism, he gave speeches across South Carolina that warned against being "hoodwinked" and "bamboozled" by the Clintons. His use of the phrase is resonant. It comes from a scene in Malcolm X, where Denzel Washington warns black people about the hidden evils of "the White Man" masquerading as a smiling politician: "Every election year, these politicians are sent up here to pacify us," he says. "You've been hoodwinked. Bamboozled."
By uttering this famous phrase, Obama told his black audience everything it needed to know. He was helping to convince blacks that the first two-term Democratic president in 50 years, a man referred to as the first black president, is in fact a secret racist. As soon as I heard that Obama had quoted from Malcolm X like this, I knew that Obama would win South Carolina by a massive margin. |
And, of course, the media covered Bill's explosion non-stop. They were tone-deaf to Obama's own language.
But that was the primary, and we have a more recent example of Obama's cowardly and unnecessary divisive pre-emptive use of the race card.
Obama is more of a Nixon than Hillary is. |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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Actually Im glad you posted those links about Obama. I was completely unaware of that speech or those tactics. I never knew about that. Of course, Im not totally suprised by any of it either.
I dont like Hillary Clinton and I dont like Barack Obama, and Im not voting for either one (and certainly not McCain).
I think though you are right about Hillary's campaign contributions NOT being particularly damning.... in comparision to her compatriots in the Congress. However, I think the problem with our country is that things of that nature ARE NOT particularly damning-- they should be. For all of those on the hill.
Frankly I dont think many of those politicians in Washington are worth the semen their fathers should have spilled on a bedsheet. I dont need perfect people or perfect polticians, I can vote for people that dont always agree with me, and/or have had dubious pasts (John Edwards is good but not perfect, Ted Kennedy killed a girl and has one foot in the grave but Id vote for him). I think the real problem is that the amount of people running who have courage of their convinctions is so remote these days as to be negaligable.
People are so starved for anything resembling leadership that they can be bought out by a spineless lightweight because he has a juicy grin and can charm cobras with his tongue. |
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sargx
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not a big fan of Obama. I'm afraid Obama will turn our military into a bunch of metrosexuals. |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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Turn half our military into metrosexuals?
What the hell does that even mean?
I will say this maybe if Obama wins he will finally end the ridiculous Dont ask Dont tell policy and put in a Gay people can be just as proud and patriotic as anyone else policy.
Dont know that he will....certainly hope so.
Ill bet those 60 arabic translators we discharged just for being gay over the past few years would like that. Of course its not like we needed arabic translators right now that we could afford to have fired them. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| If America elects McCain will Michelle be ashamed of America? |
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