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Soc. Sec.#/ Soc. Ins.# - Do you give it up?

 
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Eedoryeong



Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Soc. Sec.#/ Soc. Ins.# - Do you give it up? Reply with quote

We're told in our home countries not to (at least I am/have been told).

What's your opinion on giving it?
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time I had to give my SSN was when I was apply to get my pension at the end of my stay in Korea. Other than that, I was never asked (at least by any Korean company or agency) for my SSN. The only number that identifies you during your stay in Korea is your passport number and the KID number given to you when you receive your ARC.....
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Soc. Sec.#/ Soc. Ins.# - Do you give it up? Reply with quote

Eedoryeong wrote:
What's your opinion on giving it?

Never given it to anyone but the taxman.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's your passport # they want when outside the USA. If anyone wants your SS#, then leave it blank or refuse as they only need to see your passport, visa, or ARC.
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Eedoryeong



Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys

That's what I thought too. I thought that people were losing their minds.

I did find this just this morning for those Canadians...

http://www.privcom.gc.ca/fs-fi/02_05_d_02_e.asp

To summarize,

Why is my SIN so important to personal information and privacy?
1) The SIN may be a key piece of information to open the door to your personal information.
2) Computer technology makes it possible to use the SIN to find and match your information from one database to another; without your knowledge, a detailed profile could be drawn about you. This amounts to "data surveillance" or monitoring of your daily life, which can pose a serious threat to our privacy and autonomy.
3) Your SIN can be used to steal your identity. Along with other personal information, someone may be able to use your SIN to apply for a credit card or open a bank account, rent vehicles, equipment, or accommodation in your name, leaving you responsible for the bills, charges, bad checks, and taxes.

Your SIN is not a piece of identification. If it is not required by law (and you are not satisfied with the explanation), tell the person you prefer not to use the SIN and offer other identification;

Who can ask for my SIN?
Your SIN is a confidential number that is restricted to income reporting purposes. There are a select and limited number of federal government departments and programs specifically authorized to collect the SIN. See list below.

Programs Authorized to use the SIN:
-Immigration Adjustment Assistance Program;
-Income and Health Care Programs;
-Income Tax Appeals and Adverse Decisions;
-Labour Adjustment Review Board;
-National Dose Registry for Occupational Exposures to Radiation;
-Rural and Native Housing Program;
-Social Assistance and Economic Development Program

So, what can I do when asked for my SIN?
Ask if you are required by law to provide it (see list below);
Ask why the person needs it, how it will be used and to whom it will be given;
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Social Security numbering system was never meant as a means of personal identification, it was originally meant as a way to apply for your retirement pension.....
The US really needs to start instituting a national identification system where citizens are given ID cards with verifiable ID numbers that could be verified by a national database........OH!~ I forgot!......such a system is considered discriminatory because those without such IDs won't be able to use basic public services......such as illegal immigrants!.......so fucking what! IMHO, it is time the US starts cleaning up its act and start doing more for its own citizens before worrying about the rest of the world........
Worrying about how a national identification system will inconvenience an illegal alien is more important than protecting its own citizens from identity theft..........the US can be a very fucked up place.......................
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Rob'sdad



Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
The Social Security numbering system was never meant as a means of personal identification, it was originally meant as a way to apply for your retirement pension.....
The US really needs to start instituting a national identification system where citizens are given ID cards with verifiable ID numbers that could be verified by a national database........OH!~ I forgot!......such a system is considered discriminatory because those without such IDs won't be able to use basic public services......such as illegal immigrants!.......so fucking what! IMHO, it is time the US starts cleaning up its act and start doing more for its own citizens before worrying about the rest of the world........
Worrying about how a national identification system will inconvenience an illegal alien is more important than protecting its own citizens from identity theft..........the US can be a very fucked up place.......................


Bro, I couldn't agree with you more.

In addition coming and going to the US is getting to be like visiting the DDR. I've been in and out of Schiphol, CDF, Stuttgart, MNL, ICN with out so much as a quick swipe o' the passport. Then I'm in Seattle and they disected my baggage for 20 minutes.

Don't even get me started on LAX. That airport is a third-world cesspool.
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Landros



Joined: 19 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: sounds Reply with quote

sounds good in principle but would only lead to better forgery. check out

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/02/giving_drivers.html
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:13 am    Post subject: Re: Soc. Sec.#/ Soc. Ins.# - Do you give it up? Reply with quote

Eedoryeong wrote:
We're told in our home countries not to (at least I am/have been told).

What's your opinion on giving it?


give my SS# to a FOREIGNER in a FOREIGN COUNTRY??!!!

are you SHITTIN' ME?

they'd have to pry it from my cold dead hands.... Twisted Evil
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Rob'sdad



Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: Soc. Sec.#/ Soc. Ins.# - Do you give it up? Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
Eedoryeong wrote:
We're told in our home countries not to (at least I am/have been told).

What's your opinion on giving it?


give my SS# to a FOREIGNER in a FOREIGN COUNTRY??!!!

are you SHITTIN' ME?

they'd have to pry it from my cold dead hands.... Twisted Evil


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