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Justin Kimberlake
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 Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: If it's Gangnam, why isn't it Gorea? |
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If it's Gangnam, Gwangju, etc., why isn't it Gorea?
'splain that to me, Lucy. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like you're asking why Korea is not ever spelled Gorea due to the G and K having the same hangul letter as in Kangnam and Gangnam.
Good question since the G and K are interchanged as well as the P and the B. The only other spelling of Korea I've seen is Corea. |
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JamesFord
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: my personal playground
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| I call it Gorea all the time. Try it. It'll make you feel better. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| JamesFord wrote: |
| I call it Gorea all the time. Try it. It'll make you feel better. |
Is that because it reminds you of something that unclean girls get between the legs, sans a few syllables? |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Because Korea isn't originally Korean but a foreign name for the nation. Therefore it isn't latinized/romanized/transliterated as Gorea as the official transliteration system - in this case K => G - doesn't apply.
In case of the old 고려, which is originally Korean name for the dynasty, you transliterate it as Goryeo. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulFinn wrote: |
| Because Korea isn't originally Korean but a foreign name for the nation. |
Holy crap! Someone with a functioning brain! |
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victorology
Joined: 10 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| SeoulFinn wrote: |
| Because Korea isn't originally Korean but a foreign name for the nation. |
Holy crap! Someone with a functioning brain! |
Exactly.
You can also say, 강남 is Gangnam but 대한민국 is Daehanminguk. It definitely doesn't resemble Korea whatsoever. Or what about 한국? It's not similar to Korea at all. It's Hanguk. |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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"Korea" has its origins in the Goryeo dynasty (918-1392). I remember reading that Marco Polo was the 1st foreigner who heard about Goryeo dynasty during his time in Mongol China. (There's no absolute proof that he ever visited China, but...) After Marco Polo introduced the name in his book, the name just stuck.
Wasn't it Polo who wrote also about Cipangu or Jipangu (Japan) in his book? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: If it's Gangnam, why isn't it Gorea? |
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| Justin Kimberlake wrote: |
| If it's Gangnam, Gwangju, etc., why isn't it Gorea? |
Ask the K-CT that insisted that her name was spelled Gim (ㄱ is a "g"), and forced all the students to spell it Gim as well, but for some reason Park was still okay (and not spelled "Bag"; ㅂ is a "b", and rememeber ㄱ is a "g").
She couldn't explain the inconsistency either, but dammit it was GIM, not KIM. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: If it's Gangnam, why isn't it Gorea? |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Justin Kimberlake wrote: |
| If it's Gangnam, Gwangju, etc., why isn't it Gorea? |
Ask the K-CT that insisted that her name was spelled Gim (ㄱ is a "g"), and forced all the students to spell it Gim as well, but for some reason Park was still okay (and not spelled "Bag"; ㅂ is a "b", and rememeber ㄱ is a "g").
She couldn't explain the inconsistency either, but dammit it was GIM, not KIM. |
The /g/ sound isn't an ending sound in Korean, it comes out as /k/. Just as s,j,chh sounds at the end of a syllable sound like /t/. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: If it's Gangnam, why isn't it Gorea? |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Justin Kimberlake wrote: |
| If it's Gangnam, Gwangju, etc., why isn't it Gorea? |
Ask the K-CT that insisted that her name was spelled Gim (ㄱ is a "g"), and forced all the students to spell it Gim as well, but for some reason Park was still okay (and not spelled "Bag"; ㅂ is a "b", and rememeber ㄱ is a "g").
She couldn't explain the inconsistency either, but dammit it was GIM, not KIM. |
The /g/ sound isn't an ending sound in Korean, it comes out as /k/. Just as s,j,chh sounds at the end of a syllable sound like /t/. |
I know that. You know that. But according to the F-CT wh posted the story, she was going by alphabetic transcription only. Sounds didn't enter her argument at all. "ㄱ" is "g", period. It was one-to-one mapping. She couldn't bother explaining the insistency with such an argument other than "Because I said so". |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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I'm not sure what story you're referring to, but Gim is more correct than Kim. Bak would then be more correct than Park, but we've all gotten used to Kim park, so it will probably (almost typed brobably) stay that way.
But this all just convention and notation. Black marks on a piece of paper don't make the music, they're just symbols we interpret meaning from. it isn't worth getting your panties in a bunch. if someone wants to be called Ms. Gim, call her that. if some twit wants to spell their name Ryq instead of Rick, let him. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
| I'm not sure what story you're referring to, but Gim is more correct than Kim. [...] if someone wants to be called Ms. Gim, call her that. if some twit wants to spell their name Ryq instead of Rick, let him. |
I agree, but the point of the original post was that the K-CT was FORCING the students to spell their names the way SHE said it "should" be spelled. It didn't matter how the student wanted to spell THEIR OWN NAME, it was wrong according to the teacher, and she wouldn't allow it. Nothing the F-CT said made a difference. In the end, he said a whole bunch of students started to hate English because of her. Hatred of a language all over something as stupid as spelling your own name? That is kind of K-CTs that need to be retired. |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't Korea written with a "ㅋ" (always a hard K sound) in Korean, rather than a "ㄱ" (sometimes a K, usually a G sound). |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Otherside wrote: |
| Isn't Korea written with a "ㅋ" (always a hard K sound) in Korean, rather than a "ㄱ" (sometimes a K, usually a G sound). |
I've never seen Korea written in Korean. It shouldn't ever be written either as it's NOT A KOREAN word! Look a few posts up for SeoulFinn's post, that explains it. If you can't be bothered to do that, at least shut up and stop showing your laziness.
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