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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. "Uncle."
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Czarjorge



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Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As in "The Man From..."?

Fred Grandy pulling out all the old school song and dance.

Seriously, though, doesn't this have more to do with the fact that the guy was GERMAN, rather than simply a lefty? Apparently lots of people supported him.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4280326.ece

Gopher, ever hear the story of the boy that cried wolf? When the far left really does get out of control no one will hear your cries of warning, and then where will we be? I ASK YOU, WHERE WILL WE BE!
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mr Supposedly-slightly-right-of-centre,

I always enjoy hearing what you define as Far Left. Always makes me chuckle.

Hugs and kisses,

Mrs According-to-you-Far-Left. x x x

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Far left and extreme left are terms used to discuss the position a group or person occupies within a political spectrum. The terms far left and far right are often used to imply that someone is an extremist. Some groups considered to be far left do not wish to govern within the current institutional framework, and this may be what distinguishes them from other left-leaning groups. However, these terms are controversial because the labels are considered by some to be subjective based upon the perspective of those who consider themselves "centrists" or slightly left or right of center with an underlying assumption that anything more radical than those views is 'extreme' or wrong.



wikied Far Left
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Self-professed leftwing activist identified only as 'Frank L,'" then.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And people who call themselves "self-professed leftwing activists," people who destroy property like this, these people strike me as extremists. The rest of you are in denial.

And, further, I know where you stand on "the political spectrum" thread, Big_Bird.
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point was that it wasn't simply vandalism. It was a political statement.

Did you hear about the protesters in San Francisco a few years ago who, in order to block access to a public building as a protest against some random city law or lawmaker, vomited all over the building steps, leaving only access to fire exits clear. (Sorry, couldn't find a link for that one.)

In a world where protesters are sent to 'designated protest zones' if you are politically active and want to necessitate discussion, and hopefully change, you get more and more extreme in the measures you're willing to take. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I understand where they're coming from, it's all about a sense of powerlessness and frustration.

The exhibit itself was as destructive as the decapitation as Germans are clearly not over WWII, and for good reason. This is the wax figure version of a kid waving his hand in another kids face until the one whose personal space is being invaded snaps and responds. Frank, a former police officer, just happened to be the guy who snapped and pushed the other kid down. Everyone's guilty in these kinds of situations.
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Here's a story about political vomit at Harvard written from a fairly even handed political perspective. It's biased, but interesting. (I would probably be biased against sitting next to someone yakking for yuks and politics too.)

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=507033
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem with this sort of protest. As long as no people or animals are harmed, to me it's fairly acceptable.

While I have no problem with wax figures getting the chop, I would hate for anyone to decapitate these cute little Hitler look-a-like: Kitler and Kitler2
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this was a tactical mistake by the Left. It plays into the hands of the 'victimized' Right and gives them one more opportunity to whine about how they are not getting a fair shake by the media, the schools, Hollywood, etc.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:
The point was that it wasn't simply vandalism. It was a political statement.


It was vandalism... to the tune of $313,286.18.

If he had wanted to make a "political statement" he could have made his own Hitler dummy and decapitate it to his heart's content.

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This is the wax figure version of a kid waving his hand in another kids face until the one whose personal space is being invaded snaps and responds.


Where was the dummy located, on the man's front yard?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I think this was a tactical mistake by the Left. It plays into the hands of the 'victimized' Right and gives them one more opportunity to whine about how they are not getting a fair shake by the media, the schools, Hollywood, etc.


??

I don't get the whole right, left thing here (Ya-Ta was not the first to bring it up). Sounds like a cop reaching and grabbing for his 15 minutes of fame. Good for him. I hope he gets a good lawyer.
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a very brave piece of performance art. All is forgiven, now, for flattening half of Europe.
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leslie Cheswyck wrote:
Czarjorge wrote:
The point was that it wasn't simply vandalism. It was a political statement.


It was vandalism... to the tune of $313,286.18.

If he had wanted to make a "political statement" he could have made his own Hitler dummy and decapitate it to his heart's content.


Yeah, he could have done that, but what he did was a political statement. I would agree that it is ALSO vandalism. So is political graffiti, doesn't mean it isn't a political statement. Keeping the metaphor German, were the people who attacked the Berlin wall, tearing it down chunk by chunk, vandalising the wall?

Leslie wrote:
Czarjorge wrote:
This is the wax figure version of a kid waving his hand in another kids face until the one whose personal space is being invaded snaps and responds.


Where was the dummy located, on the man's front yard?


I really hope you're not one of the ESL cowboys if you have that much trouble with metaphors.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:
Leslie Cheswyck wrote:
Czarjorge wrote:
The point was that it wasn't simply vandalism. It was a political statement.


It was vandalism... to the tune of $313,286.18.

If he had wanted to make a "political statement" he could have made his own Hitler dummy and decapitate it to his heart's content.


Yeah, he could have done that, but what he did was a political statement. I would agree that it is ALSO vandalism. So is political graffiti, doesn't mean it isn't a political statement. Keeping the metaphor German, were the people who attacked the Berlin wall, tearing it down chunk by chunk, vandalising the wall?

Leslie wrote:
Czarjorge wrote:
This is the wax figure version of a kid waving his hand in another kids face until the one whose personal space is being invaded snaps and responds.


Where was the dummy located, on the man's front yard?


I really hope you're not one of the ESL cowboys if you have that much trouble with metaphors.


Touche! The Berlin Wall was instrumental in restricting people's freedom. Show me the wax figurine that can be used in a similar fashion.

The Hitler exhibit was on display in a wax museum where people had to go out of their way to see it, no? It wasn't exactly blocking traffic.
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daskalos



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leslie Cheswyck wrote:
Czarjorge wrote:
The point was that it wasn't simply vandalism. It was a political statement.


It was vandalism... to the tune of $313,286.18.

If he had wanted to make a "political statement" he could have made his own Hitler dummy and decapitate it to his heart's content.


Agreed. Far be it from me to take anyone to task for strong feelings about dead people, but there's quite a variety of political statements that can be made without resorting to destruction of property. Call a boycott, walk a picket line, write a letter, heckle in an internet forum or hold a party over his grave, but this sometimes-far-leftie draws the line at destruction of property.

On the topic of whether the Hitler figure "should" have been in the exhibit, the statement by a museum spokesman I read in an article the day before the exhibit opened seems reasonable, that it's hardly possible to talk about German history in the last century and remain utterly silent about the 3rd Reich. Acknowledging that someone lived doesn't mean equate to endorsing his beliefs.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hear, hear,

I doubt anybody on this board wants to glorify Hitler. My own feelings about the wax Adolph run along the lines of 'never forget'.

Had this deranged loonie beheaded the real, living Hitler I'd be fighting you to be first in line to pin a medal on him.

BTW aren't there several wax Hitlers around the globe? I remember seeing one in Victoria, BC many years ago.
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