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Czarjorge
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Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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I'm so glad there is a video. Thanks for posting this. Hitchens is one of the few people I'd like to see waterboarded.
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Rather than erasing my above post I'll leave it to properly chastise myself. I posted it before watching the video. Nobody, not even Hitchens one of the kings of the ideologue ass dance, deserves that.
It's interesting to note, how would someone even confess under those circumstances? Rumsfeld and the rest at the top who gave the go ahead for torture need to remember that 24 is just a TV show. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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And as Hitchens himself points out: "What if you've got nothing to confess!?" It's a revolting reality that because of the nature of torture, it's the innocent whose suffering is more prolonged.
Anyway, unlike you, I've decided the bugger does deserve waterboarding after all:
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| After having been waterboarded, Christopher Hitchens recognises that it is torture. But still he defends its use. |
Hitchens's tortured explanation
and: http://neurocritic.blogspot.com/2008/07/code-word-red-waterboarding-is-torture.html
| Christopher Hitchens wrote: |
| As they have just tried to demonstrate to me, a man who has been waterboarded may well emerge from the experience a bit shaky, but he is in a mood to surrender the relevant information and is unmarked and undamaged and indeed ready for another bout in quite a short time. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Where do we draw the line with torture? What about solitary confinement in a small dark paded room with a straight jacket? Ultimately we all have different tolerance levels. I would find 24 hours in a cell torturous. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Where do we draw the line with torture? |
It's unnecessary to draw any lines at all because torture is unnecessary. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
It's unnecessary to draw any lines at all because torture is unnecessary. |
Personally I would consider solitary confinement a torturous experience yet this sort of tactic is reguarly adopted. Defining what constitutes torture is in itself hugely difficult exercise. That was the point I was trying to make. Would solitary confinement in a dark cell with a straight jacket meet your definition of torture? Or is it a reasonable interogation technique? These are the lines I am refering to. It could be argued that there is a subtle difference between a reasonable interogation technique and torture. Essentially, interogation should not be a comfortable experience. |
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