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Gollywog
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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yawarakaijin rant:
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| Oh,beavers, eagles and kangaroos are respected symbols in our country, but since you don't particularly care for them and as they represent some taboo analogy in YOUR culture, we will pull our ad. |
Wow!
That sounds interesting! Would you care to elaborate?
Did somebody make an ad of a kangaroo, beaver and eagle getting run over by a steamroller, or something?
I missed it. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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I was using your in the general sense, not your culture in particular golly. I can see how you might have taken it in the wrong way.
Post me a link about a major western advertising agency apologizing for an innocuous ad that in no way was meant to offend anyone. PC crap doesn't count. We don't apologize for muslims for eating pork or to hindus for eating cows because we are sincerely sorry for offending their religious sensibilities.
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Join Me
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| They have a monkey with a cell phone portraying the man. Who the hell would be flattered by that? Maybe Asians are starting to catch on to the fact that controversy is an effective form of advertising. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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You know what, I'm sorry but F that. When was the last time ANY American, Canadian or Aussie ad company pulled an ad and apologized for doing anything that was considered absolutely harmless within their own country?
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Canucks did it today, apparently:
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Officials with Canada's embassy in Washington D.C. have apologized for using a picture of Samuel de Champlain holding poutine on a recent invitation.
The picture was used in publicity material inviting people to the embassy's Canada Day dinner.
Spokesperson Tristan Landry says no offence was intended by the depiction of Quebec's founder holding a plate of poutine and that the invitation was redrawn. |
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2008/07/03/qc-poutineapology0703.html |
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| He does kind of look like a monkey. |
Kind of? If the shoe fits... |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Korean kids used to follow whites around chanting 'mooongkeee' back in the 50s and 60s. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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2 things -
i do agree that obama looks more monkey-esque than most people. he's lanky, and he has a big head. has very little to do with his racial background - a coworker of mine is a kiwi, half maori, and has basically the same body.
secondly, how does a macacque stir up racial baggage? the "monkey" image that people associate anti-african racism is a more ape-like animal like a chimpanzee. a macacque looks more like an old asian man with a fu manchu mustache. |
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gaolibang4ever
Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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| Korea, and specifically Coreana, could learn something from how the Japanese company handled this: They promptly apologized and took the ad off the air. That is standard operating procedure for companies in the West; if something goes wrong, admit any wrongdoing quickly and move on. The issue blows over and the public, if anything, forms a relatively good image of you. |
Right. In Korea, the standard procedure is to make excuses and put the blame on other countries and start holding candlelight vigils and violent protests calling for the destruction of other countries and of course...post spamming racist posts against those countries to which Korea feels jealousy on internet forums 24/7. |
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Gollywog
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| i do agree that obama looks more monkey-esque than most people. |
Don't you get it, yet?
We all look like monkeys. Guess why? But we usually only notice it in people of other races. We have to work real hard to see it in ourselves.
Anyone remember the line from "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe"?
Waiter: "You're monkey has it right."
He was referring to Arthur Dent.
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As to the issue of racism in Korea, there's a real simple solution: Parents, stop teaching your children to hate people of other races, nationalities and religions. Racism is not inherited in a child's genes. He or she won't know to hate someone for something that happened 50, 60, 70, 100 years ago, unless you tell them. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Gollywog wrote: |
uberscheisse wrote:
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| i do agree that obama looks more monkey-esque than most people. |
Don't you get it, yet?
We all look like monkeys. Guess why? But we usually only notice it in people of other races. We have to work real hard to see it in ourselves.
Anyone remember the line from "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe"?
Waiter: "You're monkey has it right."
He was referring to Arthur Dent.
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As to the issue of racism in Korea, there's a real simple solution: Parents, stop teaching your children to hate people of other races, nationalities and religions. Racism is not inherited in a child's genes. He or she won't know to hate someone for something that happened 50, 60, 70, 100 years ago, unless you tell them. |
Good point. James Clavell, in his novel Shogun, wrote English characters referring to Japanese as "monkey-san" and such.
Helluva point. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: CNN: Japan cell phone ad portrays Obama as monkey |
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Just saw a piece on CNN about a cell phone company in Japan that ran an ad of someone apparently running for office in front of a cheering crowd with the head of a monkey.
Black expats in Japan were not amused.
The company denied any intention to portray Barak Obama as a monkey, and said monkeys are highly regarded in Japan. They pulled the ad.
What do you think?
All I can say is if it were Korea, the connection would have been intentional and understood by the viewer, even by a child.
I had a student who, upon seeing a picture of a black man on my computer monitor, which happened to have CNN.com up, pointed, laughing, and said: "Monkey! Monkey!" like it was some sort of hilarious joke.
Maybe the Japanese children are not taught to be racists, but apparently many Koreans are. |
I thought this was supposed to be about Japan. Your fixation on Korea and Koreans is bordering on obession. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Korean kids used to follow whites around chanting 'mooongkeee' back in the 50s and 60s. |
In the 50's the kids were too busy foraging for food. And the vast majority of whites were American soldiers, who really didn't hang out that much about near kids.
And if they did they were far more likely to hear requests for food than anything else. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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I wouldn't readily put it out there as racism. I don't think phone companies are generally intent to give out negative racial messages - usually that kind of thing is REAL bad for business on every level.
I think it came down to monkeys are cute, that monkey is cute. They thought it would be kawaii to make that commercial.
Completely unlike Korea, Japan has been in a the middle of an intense love/obsession with all things related to anything that resembles of African-American or African culture of Jamaician or any of those images. A Japanese woman to have an African guy as a boyfriend IS and HAS been the best status symbol accessory a Japanese girl can get right now.
Anyways, back on topic, I don't think you can relate that commercial IN Japan to how Korean's view all things African, and connect the two together. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Is it racist? I would say it's insensitive to western standards. You know Obama (first black president of a superpower) is in for a all that and more right?
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| Korean kids used to follow whites around chanting 'mooongkeee' back in the 50s and 60s |
North African (muslim) kids still follow white tourists and say "nsara!" which means "christian!"
Stuff like that happens everywhere to all races. Why be surprised.  |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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You know, when my family drove past the parliament buildings in Canada, I asked my father, "Dad, what are those buildings?" He said, "It's the house of monkeys."
As a kid, I really believed that there were monkeys swinging on chandeliers in that place...
Now, I see the coolness of my Dad saying that stuff.
As for the monkey in the ad, I see it more being against U.S. politicians than against a black man. But the ad creators should have been intelligent enough to realize it could cause a stir. But then again, Japan is pretty similar to Korea's ignorance of racism. |
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