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bigverne
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| We are not presently fucking about setting up bases or occupations in China, India or in any of the original counties of any of the ethnicities you've mentioned |
You remember when we 'occupied' Hong Kong? I'm glad we don't have to put up with those damned Chinese suicide bombers terrorizing our cities and holding up those 'Confucianism will conquer the West' posters. Because we all know that all cultures have an equal propensity for violence, don't we? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| We are not presently fucking about setting up bases or occupations in China, India or in any of the original counties of any of the ethnicities you've mentioned |
You remember when we 'occupied' Hong Kong? I'm glad we don't have to put up with those damned Chinese suicide bombers terrorizing our cities and holding up those 'Confucianism will conquer the West' posters. Because we all know that all cultures have an equal propensity for violence, don't we? |
Well, during our 'occupation' of Hong Kong I don't recall us surpressing and oppressing the locals with arms, blowing up their homes and herding them up and locking them up in any Abu Grave style detention centre. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| We are not presently fucking about setting up bases or occupations in China, India or in any of the original counties of any of the ethnicities you've mentioned |
You remember when we 'occupied' Hong Kong? I'm glad we don't have to put up with those damned Chinese suicide bombers terrorizing our cities and holding up those 'Confucianism will conquer the West' posters. Because we all know that all cultures have an equal propensity for violence, don't we? |
Well, during our 'occupation' of Hong Kong I don't recall us surpressing and oppressing the locals with arms, blowing up their homes and herding them up and locking them up in any Abu Grave style detention centre. |
The entire problem started before the invasion of Iraq.
If you're going to defend Muslims, it can't be said that all Muslims have been behaving themselves. You'll have to try a different tack. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| We are not presently fucking about setting up bases or occupations in China, India or in any of the original counties of any of the ethnicities you've mentioned |
You remember when we 'occupied' Hong Kong? I'm glad we don't have to put up with those damned Chinese suicide bombers terrorizing our cities and holding up those 'Confucianism will conquer the West' posters. Because we all know that all cultures have an equal propensity for violence, don't we? |
Well, during our 'occupation' of Hong Kong I don't recall us surpressing and oppressing the locals with arms, blowing up their homes and herding them up and locking them up in any Abu Grave style detention centre. |
The entire problem started before the invasion of Iraq.
If you're going to defend Muslims, it can't be said that all Muslims have been behaving themselves. You'll have to try a different tack. |
I'm not saying that all muslims have been behaving themselves. You're talking utter bollocks, mate. But I am pointing out the error of pretendeing that wickedness is the sole preserve of muslims. There are radicals and extremists of every denominations. Muslim wickedness is currently the flavour of the decade. A conflict with China or India would soon bring out the extremists in those communities too. It would also put the microscope on their communities too, and we'd be subject to more ridulous petty stories about their beliefs and actions. Things that had gone unnoticed for decades would suddenly by frontpage news.
btw, are you telling me that we'd never interefered in the Middle East prior to 2001? Stop being a prat. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| But I am pointing out the error of pretendeing that wickedness is the sole preserve of muslims. There are radicals and extremists of every denominations. |
Yes, I agree with that precisely.
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| Muslim wickedness is currently the flavour of the decade. A conflict with China or India would soon bring out the extremists in those communities too. |
I don't know that you want to go here. You're implying, by analogy, that the West is in conflict with the Muslim world. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Muslim wickedness is currently the flavour of the decade. A conflict with China or India would soon bring out the extremists in those communities too. |
I don't know that you want to go here. You're implying, by analogy, that the West is in conflict with the Muslim world. |
That's how some muslims perceive it. MOst muslims are not going to get political over what's going on in Iraq/Occupied Palestine/Afganistan or whatever, even if it pisses them off. But a minority are going to go nuts. It just irritates me that the beliefs of a minority are extrapolated to be those of the entire community. And that really sucks. Especially for my gentle peaceful muslim friends who are spat at in public and maligned and ostracised in all sorts of ways. |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Muslims there need to get over it. Last I checked, Britain wasn't an Islamotheocracy. |
Tis now 
Anyway I would've complained too. What an ugly puppy. |
Read on the BBC that the Highest ranking High court judge in the UK is considering introducing Shariah law to the UK (for Msulims only of course - lol.)
The day that happens is the day I decide that it isn't the country I grew up in anymore and don't want to be there anymore.
I'm planning to live in Spain anyhow but I'll be a lot less inclined to visit the UK often if Islamification continues to spread there.
Whilst I respect Muslims rights to live the way they want in their own homes etc, my stand is British citizenship - abide by British laws.
Islam is just too alien and different to what I grew up with, it just doesn't fit with how most non Muslim British people view the world or feel at all, it is too much of a personality clash so to speak. And if you asked them most would admit as such.
England (the only country I've lived in so the only one I can comment on) is becoming a confused country, out of touch with it's identity and is falling apart at the seams and after all that she's achieved in the arts, sciences, humanities, contributions to womens rights, human rights, equality etc over the last few centuries it saddens me deeply.
We need the Tories back, we really do, Labor are a f*cking joke.
Vote Blair the Berk out for crying out loud.
The police are criticised over an innocent poster yet radical muslim clerics are ALLOWED and TOLERATED to incite racial hatred openly in the streets and in Mosques.
The absurdity is overwhelming, simply stupifying.
I actually cried a little over this the other day, thinking how lost England is.
Hey I know that what the UK and US is doing right now in the Muslim world is worse and I don't condone that either, just that I'm English not Iranian or, Iraqui, so obviously the disintegration of the things I once respected in my own country touches me more imediately. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Muslim wickedness is currently the flavour of the decade. A conflict with China or India would soon bring out the extremists in those communities too. |
I don't know that you want to go here. You're implying, by analogy, that the West is in conflict with the Muslim world. |
That's how some muslims perceive it. MOst muslims are not going to get political over what's going on in Iraq/Occupied Palestine/Afganistan or whatever, even if it pisses them off. But a minority are going to go nuts. It just irritates me that the beliefs of a minority are extrapolated to be those of the entire community. And that really sucks. Especially for my gentle peaceful muslim friends who are spat at in public and maligned and ostracised in all sorts of ways. |
Your "gentle peaceful muslim friends" support a dangerous, totalitarian, and illiogical political ideology which is worthy of ridicule. They support many of the same crazy ideas as your extreme 'minority': they support suppression of women, banned alcohol & dancing, praying 5x daily, and eating only 'halal' foods. Do they advocate genital mutilation? How do they pick and choose which evil islamic beautitudes to adhere to? Perhaps the civilized world's rule of law gets in their way! Islam has been described as 10 percent religion, 90 percent ideology.
If your "gentle peaceful muslim friends" want to avoid ridicule, tell them to lose the burka and drink a beer at the end of a long day. They're not in Nigeria anymore. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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Blond, white schoolboy is al-Qa'eda extremist, say police
By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent
Last Updated: 8:06PM BST 25/06/2008
A schoolboy aged 12 has been identified as an al-Qaeda inspired extremist after sending beheading videos to his classmates, police have disclosed.
Anti-terrorism chiefs have said the example revealed how violent extremism is spreading �like a virus infecting young minds�.
The blond, white schoolboy from West Yorkshire is among 120 people being dealt with by police in a new anti-terrorism scheme targeting al-Qa�eda inspired youths.
He has been identified only by the initials BC and was reported by his school after he was found circulating video clips of terrorists beheading Westerners. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2192715/Blond,-white-schoolboy-is-al-Qaandrsquoeda-extremist,-say-police.html
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Muslim children in Britain 'brought up to hate their homeland'
Radical British Muslims have formed chatrooms to discuss adopting orphans and bringing up children to be Islamic fighters, a study has found.
The teachings of Omar Bakri Mohammed are popular on radical sites
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The teachings of Omar Bakri Mohammed are popular on radical sites
Discussions on a number of radical websites have asked how children should be brought up to be "mujahideen" and whether they should be pulled out of mainstream schools.
Other participants boast of how their children threaten to kill "kuffar" [non-believers] and complain that the Shakespeare being taught in schools is "full of homosexuality, fornication and adultery."
The Centre for Social Cohesion says radical Muslims are using the internet to create a "virtual Islamic caliphate" and calls on the government to launch a crack down.
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According to the Centre for Social Cohesion, a think tank which has been monitoring radical websites, users of a site called www.islambase.co.uk discussed the possibility of adopting children and bringing them up on May 3 this year.
The site, which is based at a post office box in Glasgow and protected by a password, is used by the followers of the radical preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed, who lived in North London until he fled to the Lebanon in 2005.
"Hamza", one visitor to the site on 23 March this year, wrote about a friend's account of what his nine-year-old son, Rashid, had told him he would say if his father was killed by the kuffar [non-believers].
He said the boy told him: "I don't care if you kill me cause I'm not afraid of you or to die for Allah, and I'll have a lot of wives in jennah [heaven] insha allah and I'll be with my dad in jennah too and we will have fun doing what we want there if Allah lets us.
"Don't kill my dad or you will be in trouble with me, I swear by Allah."
One reader, 'Mujahidinbeeston', the area of Leeds where the July 7 bombers came from, responded to the post by writing: "Mashallah [thanks be to god]...We could all learn something from the behaviour of children sometimes!! They sometimes say things so basic and plain, that when contemplated, makes so much sense!" |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2105429/Muslim-children-in-Britain-%27brought-up-to-hate-their-homeland%27.html
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Malaysian president Abdullah Badawi calls for British Muslims to live under sharia law
Muslim extremism in Britain will grow unless the Government and society learn to understand Islam, Malaysia's prime minister has warned.
Abdullah Badawi claimed that the legacy of Britain's imperial past has hampered its ability to appreciate its Islamic population. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/2100495/Malaysian-president-Abdullah-Badawi-calls-for-British-Muslims-to-live-under-sharia-law.html
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Forced marriage victims being betrayed by doctors
Young women fleeing forced marriages are being betrayed by GPs and benefits staff who "collude" with families to return them against their will, a senior police officer police has revealed.
Doctors and Job Centre workers are breaching confidentiality rules and passing on vital information to families, allowing them to trace and punish Asian women who are attempting to escape coerced marriages and "honour"-based domestic violence.
Commander Steve Allen, who is the spokesman on forced marriages for Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO), revealed that some doctors have informed girls' families that they have asked for the contraceptive pill, placing them at risk from fathers or brothers who believe this means the family's honour has been besmirched.
Cmdr Allen also told The Sunday Telegraph that Job Centre workers have accessed the National Insurance details of women who flee violent husbands, tracing where they collect benefits and passing the details on to their families so they can be found and forced back to their marital home. |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2213863/Forced-marriage-victims-being-betrayed-by-doctors.html
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Police sniffer dogs will have to wear bootees when searching the homes of Muslims so as not to cause offence.
Guidelines being drawn up by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) urge awareness of religious sensitivities when using dogs to search for drugs and explosives. The guidelines, to be published this year, were designed to cover mosques but have been extended to include other buildings.
Where Muslims object, officers will be obliged to use sniffer dogs only in exceptional cases. Where dogs are used, they will have to wear bootees with rubber soles. �We are trying to ensure that police forces are aware of sensitivities that people can have with the dogs to make sure they are not going against any religious or cultural element within people�s homes. It is being addressed and forces are working towards doing it,� Acpo said. |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4276489.ece
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Muslim prison gangs 'taking control'
By Duncan Gardham
Last Updated: 9:28PM BST 27/05/2008
Muslim gangs are threatening to take control of one of Britain's top security prisons where inmates include al-Qa'eda terrorists, a report reveals.
Staff at Whitemoor jail, Cambs, believe a "serious incident is imminent" as several wings become dominated by Muslim prisoners.
There is an on-going theme of fear and instability among employees, says the Prison Service's Directorate of High Security report.
"There is much talk around the establishment about 'the Muslims'," it says. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2028954/Muslim-prison-gangs-%27taking-control%27.html
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Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali: Radical Islam is filling void left by collapse of Christianity in UK
The decline of Christian values is destroying Britishness and has created a "moral vacuum" which radical Islam is filling, one of the Church of England's leading bishops has warned.
Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali: Radical Islam is filling void left by collapse of Christianity in UK
Dr Nazir-Ali faced death threats earlier this year after he said some parts of Britain had become "no-go areas" for non-Muslims
The Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, claimed the "social and sexual" revolution of the 1960s had led to a steep decline in the influence of Christianity over society which church leaders had failed to resist.
He said that in its place, Britain had become gripped by the doctrine of "endless self-indulgence" which had led to the destruction of family life, rising levels of drug abuse and drunkenness and mindless violence on the streets.
The bishop warns that the modern politicians' catchphrases of respect and tolerance will not be strong enough to prevent this collapse of traditional virtues, and said radical Islam is now moving in to fill the void created by the decline of Christianity. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2042169/Bishop-Michael-Nazir-Ali-Radical-Islam-is-filling-void-left-by-collapse-of-Christianity-in-UK.html
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Christian preachers face arrest in Birmingham
By David Harrison
A police community support officer ordered two Christian preachers to stop handing out gospel leaflets in a predominantly Muslim area of Birmingham.
The evangelists say they were threatened with arrest for committing a "hate crime" and were told they risked being beaten up if they returned. The incident will fuel fears that "no-go areas" for Christians are emerging in British towns and cities, as the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, claimed in The Sunday Telegraph this year. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2058935/Police-advise-Christian-preachers-to-leave-Muslin-area-of-Birmingham.html
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Children aged 13 groomed for terror
7/7 suicide bomber at Edgware Road on video released by al-Qaeda and shown on al-Jazeera television revealing his intention to seek revenge on the West
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SCHOOLCHILDREN as young as 13 are being �groomed� for terrorism by Islamic extremists in the heartland of the 7/7 suicide bombers, according to Britain�s most senior police officer charged with countering radicalisation.
Sir Norman Bettison, chief constable of West Yorkshire, said some bright children entering secondary school were picking up extremist messages from internet chat rooms and people who wanted to turn them into terrorists.
His force has now identified at least 10 youngsters � including two 13-year-olds � as �vulnerable� and formally referred them to a programme to wean them away from radicalism.
Bettison�s officers, who cover the areas where Mohammad Sidique Khan and his three fellow bombers grew up, approached their parents to offer them help and the chance to put them through the voluntary programme after becoming increasingly worried by the direction they were taking. |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4087230.ece
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Muslim stylist wins �4,000 payout
Bushra Noah
Bushra Noah was awarded damages for 'injury to feelings'
The owner of a hair salon has been ordered to pay �4,000 compensation to a Muslim stylist who was turned down for a job because she wears a headscarf.
Bushra Noah accused Sarah Desrosiers of religious discrimination when she failed to offer her a job at her Wedge salon in King's Cross, central London.
An employment tribunal panel dismissed the 19-year-old's claim but upheld her complaint of indirect discrimination.
Ms Desrosiers said she needed stylists to showcase alternative hairstyles.
During the hearing Ms Noah, who lives in Acton, west London, told the tribunal that she was "devastated" that she was not offered the job of assistant stylist "due to my headscarf". |
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Muslim convert 'left hoax bomb message'
A WHITE Muslim convert planted a hoax bomb on a bus full of people with a note saying that 'Britain must be punished', a court was told today.
Nicholas Roddis, 22, is said to have disguised himself with a long black beard before planting the fake home-made nailbomb on a crowded bus in May last year.
A court heard yesterday that Roddis, of Rotherham, had recently learned the teachings of
Islam in a move to convert over to the religion and had even recorded the preachings of disgraced cleric Abu Hamza. |
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Muslim-convert-left-fake-nailbomb.4237292.jp
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Young Muslims 'are turning to extremism'
By Patrick Sawer
Last Updated: 9:35AM BST 22/06/2008
Extremists are winning the battle for the hearts and minds of Britain's young Muslims, a disturbing police report warns.
Young Muslim boys hold placards demanding 'Justice for Muslins' : Young Muslims 'are turning to extremism'
Young Muslim boys are seen at a demonstration in London
Increasing numbers have become so alienated from mainstream society that they could even lend their support to jihadi terrorism, the study claims.
While most reject violence, many distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists.
The report was commissioned by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) after last year's failed bomb attacks in London's West End and at Glasgow Airport. It is to be discussed at Acpo's annual conference this week.
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In the most comprehensive research of its kind to date, Prof Martin Innes, of the Universities' Police Science Institute in Cardiff, led a team of researchers which carried out face-to-face and telephone interviews with more than 600 Muslims in London, Birmingham and Oldham.
They found that the radicalisation of young British Muslims was more widespread than previously feared, with "a disturbing proportion" expressing support for extremist elements.
The report, which is being distributed among senior officers, Whitehall officials and ministers, finds that:
� Anger and disaffection are "widespread in sections of Muslim youth".
� There is tacit support for extremist violence within sections of the Muslim community.
� Police need to do more to win the trust of Muslim communities if they are to tackle radicalisation.
� Many Muslims distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists, preferring to deal with problems inside their communities.
The study, entitled Hearts and Minds and Eyes and Ears: Reducing Radicalisation Risks Through Reassurance Orientated Policing, warns that "the threat to the UK from jihadist terrorism may increase in the future".
It concludes: "Increasing numbers of young Muslim people are becoming sufficiently disaffected with their lives in liberal-democratic-capitalist societies that they might be willing to support violent terrorism to articulate their disillusionment and disengagement."
Across Britain, the security services have said they are tracking 2,000 individuals suspected of having links to terrorism, investigating 200 networks and monitoring 30 plots.
Professor Innes's report warns that Islamist terror groups are increasingly operating away from traditional Muslim areas, and are seeking new ways to radicalise vulnerable young people. It comes as police investigate alleged terror plots in Exeter and Bristol.
Anti-terrorism detectives have remarked on the speed with which young people have been converted to extremism and become involved in operations.
The report says: "Bringing people through faster might be a way of trying to limit the risks of detection prior to going operational. So whereas previously the al-Qa'eda network challenged state security services through using a small select cadre of skilled operatives, they might equally stretch capacity by mounting a larger number of less sophisticated attacks."
A poll last year by Populus found that 13 per cent of Muslims aged 16 to 24 "admire organisations like al-Qa'eda that are prepared to fight the West".
Ministers have announced a �12.5 million "deradicalisation" programme aimed at tackling Islamist extremism at local level.
But Prof Innes says that in order for this strategy to succeed, police will first have to overcome widespread Muslim distrust.
He told The Telegraph: "Within Muslim communities there are those people completely against the means and aims of terrorism, and there are those in favour.
"Then there is a disturbing proportion of people in the middle whose ideas, beliefs and support for extremism will shift depending on what's happening around them, what al-Qa'eda and their like are doing, and what the police are doing."
The Cardiff team found that a growing generation gap in Muslim communities was making it harder for elders to maintain control over disenchanted youngsters.
Prof Innes said that extremists seeking to radicalise young Muslims could exploit local issues such as poor housing, as well as international events such as the invasion of Iraq.
The report says that "neighbourhood policing" � the increased use of foot patrols introduced by the Home Office as a way to tackle crime � could help in the fight against terrorism.
An Acpo spokesman said: "Among certain groups, low trust of the police inhibits people from coming forward to give information that may stop someone from heading towards radicalisation. Neighbourhood policing is crucial." |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2171300/Young-Muslims-%27are-turning-to-extremism%27.html
The behaviours we see today in Europe are not at all out of place from the thousand plus years of islamic behaviour. To suggest that because of the war in Iraq, it is natural for muslims to want sharia in the UK is simply stupid.
You are being colonized. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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Hindu man set on fire in East London �for dating Muslim girl� Thursday, 19
June 2008 Police were appealing for witnesses today following the attempted
murder of a man who was doused in petrol and set on fire in east London.
The 20-year-old, who is fighting for his life in hospital, was torched as he
sat in his car in Forest Gate.
It is believed the Hindi victim, who suffered 65 per cent burns in the
attack, was targeted because he was dating a Muslim girlfriend.
He had just parked his car, a green Honda Prelude, in St George�s Road when
he was approached by the suspect or suspects and had petrol poured over him
before being set alight. |
The two muslims who did it were released on bail later that day.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/antisemitic-violence-nears-record-level-829984.html
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Anti-Semitic violence nears record level
The number of anti-Semitic attacks in Britain has reached its second-highest level ever, MPs have been told. Figures from a charity show 547 such incidents were recorded last year, of which a record 114 were violent assaults.
The Community Security Trust (CST), which works to protect the Jewish community from persecution, collated the figures by counting every recorded anti-Semitic assault, threat, act of abuse, mass-produced literature and damage and desecration of Jewish property across the country.
Just this week, anti-Semitic graffiti was daubed across the pavements and walls of the orthodox Jewish neighbourhood of Stamford Hill in north London. CST say similar incidents happen in Britain every day.
Mark Gardner, a spokesman for CST, said: "We have over twice as many incidents being reported to us per annum now than in the 1990s. We're concerned that what we're seeing is not merely because of a difficult time internationally and in the Middle East, but that it's becoming more endemic and we're really, really concerned about that." |
Well, why doesn't the media and government do a better job at reporting this massive increase?
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the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia, refused to publish a report on resurgent anti-semitism in Europe because the study concluded Muslims and pro-Palestinian groups were behind many of the incidents examined.
When the researchers submitted their work in October 2002, the EUMC's senior staff and management board objected to their definition of anti-Semitism, which included some anti-Israel acts, and the focus on Muslim and pro-Palestinian perpetrators was judged inflammatory. "The decision not to publish was a political decision," a source familiar with the report told the Financial Times.
This revelation comes at an awkward time. The Lawyers Committee on Human Rights (which, by the way, is very critical of Israel's policies in the Occupied Territories), recently issued a report, noting that "European governments are not accurately reporting or effectively combating antisemitic violence, creating a climate that has contributed to the rise of anti-Jewish speech and violence." |
Oh, cause muslims are behind it.
So, muslim women, other minorities, Jews and mainstream society are thrown under the bus for sake of understanding and tolerance of evil outspoken muslim men who use the language of post-colonialism/anti-racism to make idiot lefties cry. Pathetic. |
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mises
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1033189/This-country-pro-Muslim-giving-succour-extremists-destroy-us.html
I love Melanie Phillips.
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This country to so pro-Muslim it is giving succour to the extremists who would destroy us
Three years after the London Tube and bus bombings, it is alarming beyond measure to record that Britain is even now sleepwalking into Islamisation. Some people will think this is mere hyperbole. However, that's the problem. Britain still doesn't grasp that it is facing a pincer attack from both terrorism and cultural infiltration and usurpation.
The former is understood; the latter is generally not acknowledged or is even denied, and those who call attention to it are pilloried as either ' Islamophobes' or alarmists who have taken up residence on Planet Paranoia.
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They fail to realise that the attempt to take over our culture is even more deadly to this society than terrorism. They are simply blind to the ruthless way in which the Islamists are exploiting our chronic muddle of well-meaning tolerance and political correctness (backed up by the threat of more violence) to put Islam on a special - indeed, unique - footing within Britain.
As a result, the steady Islamisation of British public life is either being ignored or even tacitly encouraged by a political, security and judicial establishment that is failing to identify the stealthy and mind-bending game that is being played.
The official counter-radicalisation programme illustrates the problem. The Government wants to tackle radicalisation within Britain's Muslim community by winning hearts and minds within that community. Its strategy is based on isolating the extremists and encouraging the moderates.
The problem, however, is that it doesn't understand what Muslim extremism is. Believing that Islamic terrorism is motivated by an ideology which has 'hijacked' and distorted Islam, it will not acknowledge the extremism within mainstream Islam itself.
The reason so many older British Muslims are traditionally moderate is that they were brought up in the Asian subcontinent under a tamed form of Islam, deriving from centuries of colonial rule, which glossed over much of the teaching of the religion.
The Government believes that Islamic radicalism can be countered by teaching authentic Islam to Muslims. But since Islamic radicalism is based upon those very authentic religious precepts, this will undoubtedly have the effect of radicalising people who otherwise would never have thought in this way.
The Mosques and Imams National Advisory Board (MINAB) was set up to put into effect the Government's aim of ensuring moderation in the mosques. This was always unlikely, given that members of Islamist groupings were on the steering committee. Although MINAB's chairman, Manazir Ahsan, presents himself as a reformer, he is the director of the
Islamic Foundation, which follows the writings of Maulana Maududi - who preached an end to the sovereignty and supremacy of unbelievers who should be made to live in a state of subordination to Islam.
Similarly, Dr Ataullah Siddiqui, the Government's chief adviser on Islamic Studies, is a senior member of the Islamic Foundation. A report he wrote for the Government last year, Islam at Universities in England, which was publicly welcomed by the Prime Minister, urged that among other special privileges for Muslims, they should be allowed to teach Islamic subjects in British universities and that non-Muslims should be banned from doing so.
In any event, the universities are steadily being Islamised, with academic objectivity in the teaching of Islam and Middle East studies being set aside in favour of indoctrination and propaganda.
A report by Professor Anthony Glees due to be published in the autumn will argue that extremist ideas are being spread by Islamic study centres linked to British universities and backed by multimillion-pound donations from Saudi Arabia and Muslim organisations.
He says: 'Britain's universities will have to generate two national cultures: one non-Muslim and largely secular, the other Muslim. We will have two identities, two sets of allegiance and two legal and political systems. This must, by the Government's own logic, hugely increase the risk of terrorism.'
Abu Qatada making a televised appeal from HM Prison Belmarsh
Abu Qatada making a televised appeal from HM Prison Belmarsh. Qatada, He was granted bail with a 22-hour curfew by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission, the Home Office said.
Even more terrifying is the increasing Islamisation of the police. It has been reported that up to eight police officers and civilian staff working in the Metropolitan Police and other forces are suspected of links to extremist groups, including Al Qaeda, with some even believed to have attended terror training camps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
One suspected jihadist officer working in the South East has been allowed to keep his job despite being caught circulating internet images of beheadings and roadside bombings in Iraq.
Deeply alarmed sources have furthermore told me that, in the overriding concern by police forces to hire more ethnic minority officers, they have junked vetting criteria - particularly when it comes to hiring Police Community Support Officers, who after two years can become fully fledged police officers with no further vetting required. The result, say these sources, is that the security of police operations is potentially compromised.
Moreover, there have been disturbing examples of the police protecting Islamic extremism. In 2007, the Channel Four Dispatches programme uncovered evidence of incitement to murder of homosexuals, the killing of British soldiers and hatred of 'unbelievers' going on below the official radar in ostensibly respectable British mosques.
But instead of prosecuting such fanatics, the West Midlands Police first tried to prosecute the programme makers and then accused them of selective editing and distortion and undermining community cohesion - a libel for which the police and the Crown Prosecution Service were subsequently forced to apologise.
A report by the Centre for Social Cohesion on honour killings and similar violence revealed that several women's groups, particularly in the Midlands and northern England, say they are often reluctant to go to the police with women who have run away from home to escape violence, because they cannot trust Asian police officers not to betray the girls to their abusing families.
When the Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, warned that Britain was developing Muslim nogo areas, he was denounced as Islamophobic.
The Establishment queued up to say they didn't recognise the Britain he was describing. But British public life is progressively being Islamised, with Muslim radicals in areas with large concentrations of Muslims increasingly intimidating non-Muslims.
After a vicar in East London, Canon Michael Ainsworth, was beaten up by three Muslims in his own churchyard in March, it was revealed that there had been many attacks on churches in the area by such youths, who on one occasion shouted: 'This should not be a church, this should be a mosque.'
Yet last month, one of the youths in the Ainsworth attack walked free after a judge accepted his claim that the attack was not religiously motivated.
Sharia law is steadily encroaching into British institutions. Last week, Lord Phillips, the most senior judge in England and Wales, said it could play a role in some parts of the legal system. This followed comments by the Archbishop of Canterbury who declared that Muslim families should be able to choose between English and Islamic law in marital and family issues.
The most senior judge in England and Wales, Lord Phillips, said there was a place for Sharia law in the UK
But the fact is that Britain is already developing a parallel sharia jurisdiction in such matters, with a blind eye being turned to such practices as forced marriage, cousin marriage, female genital mutilation and polygamy; indeed, welfare benefits are now given to the multiple wives of Muslim men.
Meanwhile, the courts still appear to be bending over backwards to appease Muslim radicalism. Last month, a judge freed from prison Abu Qatada, the most important Al Qaeda operative in Europe and the lynchpin of numerous European terror attacks, who was being held pending deportation to Jordan to stand trial.
His release on bail - into a kind of house arrest - followed an Appeal Court ruling that he could not be deported to Jordan because any prosecution there might have been obtained as a result of a witness being tortured - a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights.
Why do the British authorities appear to go out of their way to thwart efforts to fight and defeat jihadi terror? While Islamists are being appeased, the Christian church is being discriminated against. The Bishop of Rochester said that the decline of Christian values was destroying Britishness and had created a 'moral vacuum' which radical Islam was filling
In reply to this cri de coeur from a civilisation under siege, Hazel Blears, the Communities Secretary, maintained it was right that more money and effort was spent on Islam than Christianity because of the threat from extremism and homegrown terrorism.
But Islamism will be repulsed only if Britain once again regains the confidence of its own culture, heritage and traditions. And these are based on Christianity.
Ms Blears's lamentable comment graphically illustrates the problem. While the ordinary people of Britain are increasingly aghast at the way their country is being transformed by Islamism, the political, judicial, security and intellectual elites are busy denying the nature of the danger and making it far, far worse through a combination of extreme ignorance, arrogance and sheer funk.
The Islamists launched their jihad against the West because they perceived it was so weak and confused it would not possess the wherewithal to defend itself. When it comes to Britain, they never spoke a truer word. |
Cultural and legal jihad will colonize Britain. The terrorism just softens them up. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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The police are criticised over an innocent poster yet radical muslim clerics are ALLOWED and TOLERATED to incite racial hatred openly in the streets and in Mosques.
The absurdity is overwhelming, simply stupifying.
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Yup. And I'd like to add that the people who point out that virtially ALL the imams in virtually ALL the mosques are hardcore islamic supremicists are called "islamaphobes".
The wonderful world of multiculturalism. |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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Police sniffer dogs will have to wear bootees when searching the homes of Muslims so as not to cause offence.
Guidelines being drawn up by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) urge awareness of religious sensitivities when using dogs to search for drugs and explosives. The guidelines, to be published this year, were designed to cover mosques but have been extended to include other buildings.
Where Muslims object, officers will be obliged to use sniffer dogs only in exceptional cases. Where dogs are used, they will have to wear bootees with rubber soles. �We are trying to ensure that police forces are aware of sensitivities that people can have with the dogs to make sure they are not going against any religious or cultural element within people�s homes. It is being addressed and forces are working towards doing it,� Acpo said. |
I mean any incident where a sniffer dog is called in is going to be serious - drugs, weapons etc...
sorry but if you're under suspicion of such offenses - you're going to simply have to tolerate a doggy not wearing booties for f' sake. I mean wtf? |
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bigverne
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10 years ago you never read anything about muslim wickedness in the paper. This focus on muslims stems from politics, not religion.
Remember Salman Rushdie? Those images of bearded 'British' Muslim mobs calling for the death of a British citizen happened well before the Iraq war. That should have been a wake up call to us then.
And terrorism aside, how is the Iraq war, and other perceived Muslim grievances related to calls for Shariah, and preaching hatred against kuffar. They are not related of course, since both Shariah and contempt for 'infidels' are centrals tenets of Islam, and are good reason why we should be wary of Islam in Europe.
By the way, if you have any evidence of such hatred being preached from Synagogues or Temples, please let me know. |
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