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Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sex Matters to Women Who Say It Doesn't: Study
Chosun Ilbo (October 26, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510260017.html
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Korean men and women have distinctly different notions of sex in a marriage, a survey suggests....
It found that a mere 4.4 percent of women thought sex was important in marriage, compared with 77 percent of men -- almost as many as the 74.8 percent of women who said it was unimportant. A substantial 20.2 percent said maybe it mattered (compared to 14 percent of men), but only 2 percent of married men said sex did not matter. When asked if prostitutes are needed to satisfy men's sexual needs, 20.4 percent of women and 61 percent of men agreed
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Wives Found Far Richer than Their Spouses
Chosun Ilbo (March 21, 2001)
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200102/200102150006.html
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A survey indicated married Korean women manage an average of W14.4 million (about US$12,000) of "secret funds" without the knowledge of their spouses, who in turn had only W3.4 million (about US$3,000) kept aside -- or a mere quarter of how much their wives have tucked aside.

A marriage information firm, Duo conducted a survey recently on 850 young men and women on Wednesday and 87.2% of married men and women replied they do have money that they manage without the knowledge of their spouses
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More Women Keep Secret Stash of Money
Chosun Ilbo (June 6,2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200506/200506060001.html

Train husbands, or divorce them
The dividend pension allows the divorced spouse to share the pension based on the length of the marriage.
JoongAng Daily (April 7, 2007)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2874205
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkelly80 wrote:
xingyiman wrote:
Easter Clark wrote:
^

How do you know this Question


If you've ever gotten into the "inner circles" with your Korean friends they will sometimes drop the BS and tell it like it is. Within reason of course. I had a co-teacher friend once who was in love with her childhood sweetheart from Seoul. He wasn't well off though and her parents didn't approve of the arrangement.
Instead they wanted her to marry this ship captain dude who in all likelyhood was shagging Thai and Vietnamese girls left and right. I met the guy once and he acted like a complete dick.
My coteacher was 32 and getting the pressure from mom and dad that she needed to marry but they werne't giving there approval to the childhood sweetheart. A family member introduced her to this guy but she didn't like him, but at the same time felt trapped because of her age. Even though she was quite attractive most K dudes saw her as "over the hill".
Another one of my friends was planning on an around the world trip before she went on the parental "auction block" so to speak. SHe said she wanted to enjoy her life and have something to look back on before her parents began the whole matchmaking thing.
It's pretty common knowledge here.


I have a language exchange partner, and she told me pretty much the same story the second time we met. It's hearsay, but it's been corroborated by other waeguk friends of mine who date/are friends with Koreans.


This is pretty much the story that I've put together through; surfing this board, talking to Koreans, and LOOKING AT ALL THE DAMNED MASSAGE PARLORS.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aldershot wrote:
samd wrote:
Room salon experiences aside (which many don't consider cheating at all), I don't think Koreans cheat any more than us.


...so if we included room salons, koreans would be bigger cheaters than "us"?

i wanna know how room salons aren't considered cheating. I guess we gotta define cheating, then. perhaps along the lines of "touchinganother'sgenitals/boobies/tongue/bum/otherthanyourspouse's" could do us well.

using this definition, the antics carried on in room salons could be considered cheating. and we'd have to *sigh* draw the conclusion that east asians are more prolific cheaters than their western counterparts.


I wouldn't consider it cheating as most guys have no choice in the matter. They are forced to go in order to network and cosy up to their bosses. Bosses are forced to take their staff because it's the done thing.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I have to agree with SamD here.


My Korean co-worker, a great guy and a devoted Christian, lexplained it to me.

He used to work for a large newspaper and we got to discussing room salons.

Well he told me that back when he worked for the paper, his boss would often bring his associates for drinks at a room salon. And often the boss would pay the services of a girl to take care of the guy (usually hand or blow job, but sometimes full on sex).

I was quite surprised to hear this. Now I (young, non-married, male) would likely be all over this Laughing so I wasn't judging anyone here.

However, I just couldn't picture my co-worker being into this stuff.


I asked his if being a Christian made him a hypocrite.


He kind of agreed, but defended himself by saying that he really had no choice in the matter. Basically if he said no, his boss would perhaps get angry.

His boss could possibly not even promote him as by not taking part in the room salon activities, he would be seen as an outside within the group.


There was a lot of pure-pressure going on here.



My co-worker also explaind how he discussed this topic with his wife. She had obviously brought it up and he said to her that he basically loose his job if he didn't partake in those extracurricular activities.

She eventually persuaded him to take a job at a private school, which paid less, but also had a set closing time.


It was a really interesting conversation.
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aldershot



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but endo and samd, it's still bloody cheating. whether it's "forced" or not (and i don't believe it to be completely forced-- free will abounds my friends) is moot. monogamy is the topic of discussion and going to room salons and gettin' your freak on with a woman other than your wife doesn't constitute its definition.

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My co-worker also explaind how he discussed this topic with his wife. She had obviously brought it up and he said to her that he basically loose his job if he didn't partake in those extracurricular activities.

She eventually persuaded him to take a job at a private school, which paid less, but also had a set closing time.


...she obviously knows the definition of monogamy.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sex Buying Practices Still Rampant: Survey
By Kim Cheong-won, Korea Times (December 15, 2005)
old link: http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200512/kt2005121517170211960.htm
alternative link: http://news.empas.com/show.tsp/cp_kt/20051215n21251
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For a 36-year-old manager at a local manufacturing company, who would like to be identified only by his family name Park, December is the busiest time of the year.

He has to meet his business partners, who are in charge of giving orders to Park's company, for year end parties. He has to have dinner with them, drinking together and often singing together at karaoke bars. But, that's not the end of the country's unique "choptae" culture which means providing a treat or entertainment to business partners or authorities to get favors.

Many times, they go to brothels, or massage parlors where they can "buy" sex, according to Park....

By industry sector, 60 percent of managers working at wholesale companies answered that the practice still remains while 37.9 percent of respondents at construction companies said that it still exists....

When it comes to the necessity of choptae, over 80 percent of the surveyed said it is necessary to maintain good relationships with business partners
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monogamy is new in Korea. The locals aren't used to it.

The hand wringing that goes on around Dave's is funny.

Infidelity in Korea is either a "bug" or its a "feature". Its up to you how you look at it.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:

I asked his if being a Christian made him a hypocrite.


He kind of agreed, but defended himself by saying that he really had no choice in the matter. Basically if he said no, his boss would perhaps get angry.


Haha, spoken like a true Christian. What complete bullocks (as our friends across the Atlantic would say). Same argument that's been used by cowards throughout history, the old "I had no choice" defense. You sure as *beep* DO have a choice, and you chose to throw your faith out the window.
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Oreovictim



Joined: 23 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha-ha! Interesting post. I knew this Korean woman who seemed a bit strange to the other Koreans. She was 31 at the time and not married. Next thing I knew, she was engaged to a guy that she used to know. They were to be married in three months. The guy was nice enough to me, but he was a baby to his wife. He expected to be pampered a lot.

While we're on the topic, I have a question or two. Someone mentioned that women get about 30% or so in a divorce. What happens if she marries and then divorces a foreigner? Does the ratio change? Does she get 70% or something like that. I shouldn't assume that foreigners would get screwed, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Also, why do Korean guys cheat? Is it just because they can or because their wives aren't putting out? A few people have told me that it's common for Korean women, once they push out a baby or two, for their sex drive to drop completely. Of course, the people who told me this happen to be foreigners who aren't married to Korean women.

I don't know if anyone in or around Seoul notices this, but I've noticed something weird in Bundang. I always see really hot-looking wives or girlfriends with Korean guys who are either ugly, pudgy, shorter than average, etc. Perhaps they got set up, and the guys got really lucky, but I have another idea. Being that it's Bundang, I'll just assume that money talks, and these guys happen to make mega bucks.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oreovictim wrote:
I don't know if anyone in or around Seoul notices this, but I've noticed something weird in Bundang. I always see really hot-looking wives or girlfriends with Korean guys who are either ugly, pudgy, shorter than average, etc. Perhaps they got set up, and the guys got really lucky, but I have another idea. Being that it's Bundang, I'll just assume that money talks, and these guys happen to make mega bucks.


I'll take the last hypothesis for a thousand Alex! (Trebeck, that is)

which kind of reminds me now..

why is it that Alex Rodriguez got married again?

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

now cynthia will take half of his best earning years every, based on the dubious legal claim that she's somehow responsible for her husband's professional success.

btw.. I don't mean to slam her... she's been content to sit thru dozens of Alex's trysts thus far..... she KNEW what she was getting into.. but apparently the lawyers have now convinced her that the moneypot is too big for her to ignore Smile

I'm just curious why is it that very rich and successful men get married in the first place.

Unless they just don't give a flying crap about the dough and they don't know what to do with all of it.

I'd like to be experience what it'd be like in that position at least once. Of course, it'll never happen .
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Incognito, there is NO monogamy in ANY east-Asian country.

None.

Whatsoever.

Or...maybe it's just the women you choose.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, over half of my friends from home have divorced parents because one or both cheated, so I feel like I can't really point fingers. Monogamy is hard pressed to find ANYWHERE in the world, Asia being no exception.
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oreovictim wrote:
A few people have told me that it's common for Korean women, once they push out a baby or two, for their sex drive to drop completely.


I don't know anything about the moms with two kids, but the one-kid mamas definitely do not have a diminished sex drive.
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mikeyboy122



Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get divorced in Korea is shameful to the old folks. My gal, who is 52 and quite active in that kind of way, told me her mother said she would commit suicide if she were ever to divorce. No sh*t! Appearances are everything here. Even though many of them are deceptive. 40 plus Korean woman are WAY more attentive to their man than the younger ones. The first Korean I dated was 27. Good lookin' and all but she was gimme, gimme, gimme like I was lucky to be with her. AND she sucked in that one room, you know? But not the kind of suck I preferred. My 52 year old sweety practically kills me everytime. And it's ALL good to her. Check it out. Low mileage or killer ride. Which do you prefer? Keep the new car smell, I'll keep my back breaker. Wink
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RJjr



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How old are you?
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