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Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries?
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always have a few points to throw into these convos. Well, I think the OP made a pretty good post.

But let's talk about the older age group: It's true, the lack of monogomy stems more from the confucian cutlure which breeds it. Two people meet in an "arranged" sort of way. A month or three later, they marry. This happens with my co-workers alot. They might be in "puppy love" but its more because they "have to" get married. They get bored with each other after a few months. They blame their mess on each other. They start to think the other is cheating. They therefore cheat, and develop other relationships, while the "husband" becomes more of a "brother" figure she must satisfy once a year, more work, than love. It's depressing, that scenario. But that's mostly with the over 30-40 and up crowd, and therefore, doesn't apply to most of us. But sadly, it might still apply to people of our age-group.

These days, I have met some Korean girls whose parents are more than happy to see their girl date a foreigner. Like my last girlfriend...her parents lived in Cheongju, and I'd say hello to them on the webcam. Sometimes, a girl will lie, and say her parents don't approve of it, in order to keep it a secret (for many reasons, maybe she's embarrassed about it, or perhaps her family thinks her other Korean boyfriend is the only boyfriend). My best test is this> see if she holds your hand in public. If a girl doesn't hold your hand in public, my honest advice: ditch her asap... she's not worth the hassle you will eventually find yourself in. Cuz she will have many reasons for not doing so, reasons which will eventually surface, which are ugly...

I've heard a saying from many a weigookin. Every Korean girl has three boyfriends. The (1) secret boyfriend who she truly loves, and who she enjoys a sexual relationship with (keyword there, enjoys). But perhaps he doesn't make enough money to make ends meet, or she worries he will fly back to Canada some day, so she can't rely on him for marriage. The (2) parental boyfriend is the one who is the one the parents approve of, typically the boring guy, who she'll go to the DVD bang with, but not enjoy a thing. He buys her trinkets, and she enjoys. Makes lots of excuses NOT to meet him, but must, once a week... if she has to. Oftentimes, these two sadly, end up together in a messed up marriage. Then there's the (3) wildcard guy, the third man, who is either her boss or someone in very high up status. He buys her lots of stuff. This man doesn't exist often, unless she is a stunner. He keeps hitting on her, until she submits. He is the playboy who visits massage parlours every weekend, and whom shows off his wealth. This guy gets laid so often, he's got herpes flying outta him... Girls often want this guy over the other two, hoping he'll "change" and become her new "true love." A provider, lover, etc. But if, horribly, she ever marries this guy, she'll get more abuse from him than she can ever expect. But she'll become accustomed to it eventually... after the honeymoon period is over. Then begins the cycle of multiple boyfriends, as she needs to "get even" with her husband.

Unfortunately, I've heard the story where the weigookin guy has been dating a girl for a year or two, and finds out she is secretly married with kids... I've heard this story TWICE. Yes, and that's just from people I know. I haven't had the best luck either here. The trick is, you gotta just not care for the "dating period" what she's up to... Expect that she is dating another, until you actually discuss that you "won't meet others" anymore... become "steady", make a promise. In Korean culture, just like in 50s America, you gotta discuss that.

In North America, with dating girls, I cant ever recall saying "OK, it's time for us to be girlfriend boyfriend." But here, you gotta do that... Back home, we just assume and understand the "code" that exists. Simply, don't fool around. Simple! Not sayin it doesn't happen back home, but there does seem to be a different mindset there... than here.
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mikeyboy122



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

50 (10-31-1957) Boo! :wink:Brento1138 speaks truth about hand holding.
Even arms around the waist. But we have to hide to smooch.


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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brento1138 wrote:
Every Korean girl has three boyfriends.


And every foreigner has AIDS and smokes pot. Thanks for the gross generalization! With rhetoric like this we're sure to overcome racism. Rolling Eyes
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aldershot wrote:
but endo and samd, it's still bloody cheating. whether it's "forced" or not (and i don't believe it to be completely forced-- free will abounds my friends) is moot. monogamy is the topic of discussion and going to room salons and gettin' your freak on with a woman other than your wife doesn't constitute its definition.

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My co-worker also explaind how he discussed this topic with his wife. She had obviously brought it up and he said to her that he basically loose his job if he didn't partake in those extracurricular activities.

She eventually persuaded him to take a job at a private school, which paid less, but also had a set closing time.


...she obviously knows the definition of monogamy.



Oh of course it's still cheating. I totally agree with you there.


These people are robots to their bosses if they have sex with room salan girls even though morally they may not want to.

It's a cultural problem here. People are just not willing tp speak out against it.


However, I do believe that those (males) who want to speak out against it are in the minority here.

I mean after a few years of sex with the same person, you kind of start to loose that attraction. Humans are not programed to be monogomous.
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xingyiman



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
aldershot wrote:
but endo and samd, it's still bloody cheating. whether it's "forced" or not (and i don't believe it to be completely forced-- free will abounds my friends) is moot. monogamy is the topic of discussion and going to room salons and gettin' your freak on with a woman other than your wife doesn't constitute its definition.

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My co-worker also explaind how he discussed this topic with his wife. She had obviously brought it up and he said to her that he basically loose his job if he didn't partake in those extracurricular activities.

She eventually persuaded him to take a job at a private school, which paid less, but also had a set closing time.


...she obviously knows the definition of monogamy.



Oh of course it's still cheating. I totally agree with you there.


These people are robots to their bosses if they have sex with room salan girls even though morally they may not want to.

It's a cultural problem here. People are just not willing tp speak out against it.


However, I do believe that those (males) who want to speak out against it are in the minority here.

I mean after a few years of sex with the same person, you kind of start to loose that attraction. Humans are not programed to be monogomous.


Wow....hey man speak for yourself. I must be the only man whose wife gets more appealing as time goes on.
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Oreovictim



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeyboy122 wrote:
The first Korean I dated was 27. Good lookin' and all but she was gimme, gimme, gimme like I was lucky to be with her. AND she sucked in that one room, you know? But not the kind of suck I preferred. My 52 year old sweety practically kills me everytime. And it's ALL good to her. Check it out. Low mileage or killer ride. Which do you prefer? Keep the new car smell, I'll keep my back breaker. Wink


Some of the younger women here turn me off. I was slightly dating this girl (and I do stress "girl") who was 27 or 29; I can't remember. She called me up out of the blue on a Saturday, saying that she was a subway stop away and wanted me to see her. I told her I was busy, and with about the most annoying whine I have heard in a long time, she yelled, "WHY????" Man, that girl was such a baby.

But I've met younger people who are mature. Guess you can't stereotype.

Older women can be sexy, but 52 would be pushing it quite a bit for me. But if it works for you, great.
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mikeyboy122



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on Oreovictim! Smile Whatever blows your whistle or whatever.
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Clark wrote:
brento1138 wrote:
Every Korean girl has three boyfriends.


And every foreigner has AIDS and smokes pot. Thanks for the gross generalization! With rhetoric like this we're sure to overcome racism. Rolling Eyes


You nicely left out the part where I said "I've heard a saying from many a weigookin." It's not my saying, in particular, buuuuuut... there's some truth to it. They said "every" whilst I would say "many." Perhaps they were over-exaggerating. Racism? Well, perhaps they are, but there is a culture here that many people follow. And it applies to many many Koreans.
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endo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xingyiman wrote:
endo wrote:
aldershot wrote:
but endo and samd, it's still bloody cheating. whether it's "forced" or not (and i don't believe it to be completely forced-- free will abounds my friends) is moot. monogamy is the topic of discussion and going to room salons and gettin' your freak on with a woman other than your wife doesn't constitute its definition.

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My co-worker also explaind how he discussed this topic with his wife. She had obviously brought it up and he said to her that he basically loose his job if he didn't partake in those extracurricular activities.

She eventually persuaded him to take a job at a private school, which paid less, but also had a set closing time.


...she obviously knows the definition of monogamy.



Oh of course it's still cheating. I totally agree with you there.


These people are robots to their bosses if they have sex with room salan girls even though morally they may not want to.

It's a cultural problem here. People are just not willing tp speak out against it.


However, I do believe that those (males) who want to speak out against it are in the minority here.

I mean after a few years of sex with the same person, you kind of start to loose that attraction. Humans are not programed to be monogomous.


Wow....hey man speak for yourself. I must be the only man whose wife gets more appealing as time goes on.



sexually?
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JJJ



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Brento1138, that article you wrote was perfect. Well done. I know a lot about it as well but you could have that story printed and paid for. Nice.
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R-Seoul



Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Location: your place

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeyboy122 wrote:
To get divorced in Korea is shameful to the old folks. My gal, who is 52 and quite active in that kind of way, told me her mother said she would commit suicide if she were ever to divorce. No sh*t! Appearances are everything here. Even though many of them are deceptive. 40 plus Korean woman are WAY more attentive to their man than the younger ones. The first Korean I dated was 27. Good lookin' and all but she was gimme, gimme, gimme like I was lucky to be with her. AND she sucked in that one room, you know? But not the kind of suck I preferred. My 52 year old sweety practically kills me everytime. And it's ALL good to her. Check it out. Low mileage or killer ride. Which do you prefer? Keep the new car smell, I'll keep my back breaker. Wink

52? Yikes, all I can picture is some helmet-haired visor wearing weather beaten adjumma. Say it ain't so Mikeyboy, u got any pics?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couples Exchange Credit Information Before Wedding
By Yoon Ja-young, Korea Times (June 5, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2007/06/123_4215.html

Marry in Haste and Regret at Leisure
By Ki Sun-min and Park Soo-mee , JoongAng Ilbo (March 08, 2007)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2873210

Women Taking Lead in Filing for Divorce
JoongAng Daily (June 30, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2588246

Women Remarry Faster Than Men
By Lee Hyo-sik, Korea Times (April 19, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/biz_view.asp?newsIdx=1313&categoryCode=123

More Women Keep Secret Stash of Money
Chosun Ilbo (June 6,2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200506/200506060001.html

Hairless Apes Never Change, Survey Reveals
by Choi Gyu-min, Chosun Ilbo (March 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503030037.html
Quote:
Men choose women for their looks while women pick men for their prospects, an unrepresentative survey confirms. Yonsei University psychology professor Lee Hoon-gu said Thursday a survey of 308 students - 68 male and 140 female - found that women have a slightly more sophisticated standard when choosing life partners.

Thus more women than men polled responded to traits like intelligence, health, biological dominance, college education, and economic power. The men kept it simple: physical attractiveness won hands down
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mikeyboy122



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure do. How do you post em'? Confused
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries? Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
My question, exactly: do Koreans lie more than Westerners quantantatively? How exactly do they lie, and how can you catch them in a lie (I know they tell "around the truth" but not the truth exactly)? Are most Korean relationships secretly polyamorous, and are most Korean/East Asians completely okay with that? Or are Koreans (women) who date foreigners pulled more towards open relationships and secrecy?

Personally, I think KOREAN WOMEN are master liars. They have so many societal expectations on them, so they are masters at pretending and lying to EVERYBODY! They learn this throughout their entire life.

Y'know like Korean women don't or can't smoke, yet nearly every Korean woman you ever meet out socializing is smoking. In addition, foreigners at least, who date Korean women, NEVER meet their close friends or family. Almost NEVER.

The fact that nearly EVERY SINLGE KOREAN WOMEN you see anywhere, appears to be single!! If you are out drinking, one night stands are MUCH MORE COMMON than in the West. Yet, afterwards, you'll NEVER hear from the woman again. WHY? Well, they aren't actually single.

The list goes on and on and on.
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R-Seoul



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:25 am    Post subject: Re: Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries? Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
The fact that nearly EVERY SINGLE KOREAN WOMEN you see anywhere, appears to be single!! If you are out drinking, one night stands are MUCH MORE COMMON than in the West. Yet, afterwards, you'll NEVER hear from the woman again.


Er Tiger Beer, word in your shell like - this is one of the things that makes Korea great.
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