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The Bobster
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| As to whether Mr Kanbon or Ms Richeson is a better choice, that's heavily subjective isn't it? |
Not really, not in this case. By any standard you'd use to measure, Ms Richeson is a better example of academia at its finest. She is a full professor and Mr Kanbon is just an instructor with no publications after his P.Ed dissertation. She's got a MacArthur Fellowship and he's got nothing at all, except his very political bookstore. If two people have similar qualifications in any regard at all, one could talk about subjectivity - not here, though.
And what evidence or support does Mr Gopher give us in order to say that Mr Kanbon and the The Black Panther Party are the "product" of devicive ideologies emmanating from African American Studies departments? None at all. Just his word, basically.
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| As for the intents and effects of African studies departments, what are they? You can't lump them altogether in one issue and say someone is trying to mislead us. HIS experience of African studies departments (if he has any) may well have led him to the conclusions he is drawing. |
Mr Gopher alluded to some experiences in the early pages of this thread, but he decided to do no more than that. Again, we have to take his word for it that he saw something and that his interpretation of things is fair and objective and not clouded by some aspect of his personal identity. (For instance, that he's a white male.)
It's not I who has lumped all the aims of African American Studies departments around a single issue, though, and lert's be clear about that. It's not difficult to discover what these aims are, either.
If you don't like wikipedia, you can find another source that you like better.
African American studies is a subset of Black studies or Africana studies. It is an interdisciplinary academic field devoted to the study of the history, culture, and politics of African Americans. Taken broadly, the field studies not only the cultures of people of African descent in the United States, but the cultures of the entire African diaspora, from the British Isles to the Caribbean. The field includes scholars of African American literature, history, politics, religion and religious studies, sociology, and many other disciplines within the humanities and social sciences.
Black studies is a systematic way of studying black people in the world - such as their history, culture, sociology, and religion. It is a study of the black experience and the effect of society on them and their affect within society.
Although politics is mentioned above, when you start looking into the actual literatuire being published, the really surprising thing is how little politics there is in it.
Here's a brief excerpt from the table of contents for an academic journal in this field, and yes, I think I can make the claim that it's pretty average for what's going on out there. In fact, it's pretty boring.
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Troy D. Allen
Cheikh Anta Diop's Two Cradle Theory: Revisited
Journal of Black Studies 2008 38: 813-829. [Abstract] [PDF] [References]
Assefaw Bariagaber
United Nations Peace Missions in Africa: Transformations and Determinants
Journal of Black Studies 2008 38: 830-849. [Abstract] [PDF] [References]
Linda Strong-Leek
bell hooks, Carter G. Woodson, and African American Education
Journal of Black Studies 2008 38: 850-861. [Abstract] [PDF] [References]
Olatunji Ogunyemi
The Implications of Taboos Among African Diasporas for the African Press in the United Kingdom
Journal of Black Studies 2008 38: 862-882. [Abstract] [PDF] [References]
James H. Johnson, Jr, Grover C. Burthey, III, and Kevin Ghorm
Economic Globalization and the Future of Black America
Journal of Black Studies 2008 38: 883-899. [Abstract] [PDF] [References] |
What I'm looking at here is the complete absence of any call to struggle. There are no discussions about whether the world would be better off without white people. Do you see anyserious or even ironic proposals for mass genocide? I don't, and I'm sorry TUM, I'm not going to rely on Mr Gopher's undefined and and spectral "personal experience" but rather on what rational people can see and observe in the world as it is.
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| You and I may say that Ms. Richeson is a better choice, but what's to stop other people from saying Kanbon is a better representation? We can argue with them all day, but if they aren't swayed by now, they never will be, so it's rather academic since now he's been dismissed. |
It might be pointless - but it's not. Not when Mr Kanbon is being presented as the poster child of African-American Studies and not when both he and The New Black Panther Party as being presented as a "products" of that academic discipline. And not when even a cursory glance at the facts shows that it simply isn't so at all.
Thing is, if Mr Gopher gave any indication of otherwise being clueless about things in general, then I suppose we could say that he's merely confused and made a mistake, and believed something that he read some place without finding out if it's true. He's not a dummy, though, so we have to ask ourselves: why is he telling us things that are not true ... and why does he want to spend his time discussing things with people whom he seems to think can be so easily fooled?
It's a conundrum, and I don't have the answer for it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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http://www.blackcommentator.com/about_us.html
Note the four people (Rose Brewer PhD, Manning Marable, PhD, Barbara Ransby PhD and William L. Strickland) who have experience in the relevant field. I'd say they're comparable to Ms. Richeson in qualifications.
As for politics:
Rose Brewer is a leader of the Radical Black Congress which is very political indeed. Do a search on their goals.
Barbara Ransby is a "long term political activist"
I've got a class right now but will get back to you on this later. Just one question for now? Do you think these people mentioned above could be a replacement for Ms. Richeson as representing black studies? |
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bacasper
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Who's going to turn me into the thought police for this post?
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Hello mister martyr! We don't care about you that much. |
Who's "we"? Are you now a spokesman? You are obviously not speaking for those who have already stated that they want him banned or hurled names at him. |
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mises
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Why ban? I don't agree with what he says but I accept his right to say it. If Dave decides to rid the site of him I'm indifferent. And if he doesn't, I'm indifferent.
He represents a surprisingly large segment of the North American population. Too bad, but true. |
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Underwaterbob
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Who's going to turn me into the thought police for this post?
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Hello mister martyr! We don't care about you that much. |
Who's "we"? Are you now a spokesman? You are obviously not speaking for those who have already stated that they want him banned or hurled names at him. |
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The Bobster
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| http://www.blackcommentator.com/about_us.html |
You realize, it's not an academic journal, right? It's a political blog. Do you think it is in any way comparable to The Journal of Black Studies that I showed in my last post? Do you, really?
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| Note the four people (Rose Brewer PhD, Manning Marable, PhD, Barbara Ransby PhD and William L. Strickland) who have experience in the relevant field. I'd say they're comparable to Ms. Richeson in qualifications. |
 And almost as wonderful as that Kanbon fella who wants to kill all the white people ... WOW! 
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| Rose Brewer is a leader of the Radical Black Congress which is very political indeed. Do a search on their goals. |
It might be true, but I haven't noticed her name anywhere on the group's website, so I'm not sure what level her involvement is. Do you?
" We will struggle for a society and world in which every individual enjoys full human rights, full protection of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, and in the United States equal protection of the Constitution and of all the laws. We seek a society in which every individual � regardless of color, nationality, national origin, ethnicity, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age, family structure, or mental or physical capability � is free to experience "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
I think they should take the word 'radical' out of their name. Here's their page, where I got that from. They are referencing the UN Charter and American Founding Fathers. Nothing there about promoting genocide, but if I look closely there's some stuff about opposing it. Yeah, it's politics, and looks like the very best kind there is, the kind that tries to educate people and work toward improvements in the lives of people in the world.
Oh, but golly, they favor affirmative action ... oooooohhhhh nnnooooooo!!!!
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| Barbara Ransby is a "long term political activist" |
You forgot to mention the first two titles your website gives her: historian and writer. Talk about yer cherry-picking - I mean, give me a break. You're not trying to hide it, sure, but if I can be pilloried for casting a wary eye at a guy with a master's degree in P.E., well ...
Methinks you got hypnotized by the word 'radical again. Her book, Ella Baker and the Black Freedom Movement: A Radical Democratic Vision
is a work of serious historical documentation, detailing the life of an early civil-rights leader. As you can see from the except below of a review in The American Historical Review, the word 'radical' refers to the idea that social change can occur from what we would today call the grassroots, the people who are normally consiodered powerless. It is, in essence, the heart of democracy.
That notion of social change "from the bottom up" and its corollary�that leaders are not born but developed�are at the heart of the shift in the post-World War II civil rights movement once SNCC "invaded" Mississippi after 1960. Those ideas also form the core of Baker's political philosophy�what Ransby calls "radical democracy." This book brings into focus Baker's quiet but profound contribution to the new phase of militancy that made the Mississippi movement possible and widened its objectives to yield a full-fledged political challenge to the Democratic Party in 1964 and to make possible the emergence of a poor people's movement. The idea that the oppressed should lead fueled subsequent social movements of the 1960s, however inchoately, and it remains a key principle of many community justice efforts today.
I think Mssrs Marable and Strickland worry you because they both wrote biographies of Malcom X. I prefer King, myself, but we have to live with the fact that some black activists have promoted a form of activism (referred to as "self-defense") that is not quite in keeping with the spirit of Gandhi and Thoreau. It would be a poor historical canon that did not study and document Malcom as well as other black leaders - black historians would be irresponsible to neglect him, in fact.
It's nothing close to espousing the genocide of the white race, however.
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I've got a class right now but will get back to you on this later. Just one question for now? Do you think these people mentioned above could
be a replacement for Ms. Richeson as representing black studies? |
It's Mr Kanbon, and The new Black Panthers who are non-representative of academia, my man. Let's be clear: Ms Richeson does not need any replacement as far as I can see. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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You realize, it's not an academic journal, right? It's a political blog. Do you think it is in any way comparable to The Journal of Black Studies that I showed in my last post? Do you, really?
I'm not talking about journals, I'm talking about people. Do you think that only people who've been written up in an academic journal have the appropriate credentials? Do you, really?
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| Note the four people (Rose Brewer PhD, Manning Marable, PhD, Barbara Ransby PhD and William L. Strickland) who have experience in the relevant field. I'd say they're comparable to Ms. Richeson in qualifications. |
And almost as wonderful as that Kanbon fella who wants to kill all the white people ... WOW!
What's that got to do with anything? I don't recall saying he was wonderful or anything like that.
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| Rose Brewer is a leader of the Radical Black Congress which is very political indeed. Do a search on their goals. |
It might be true, but I haven't noticed her name anywhere on the group's website, so I'm not sure what level her involvement is. Do you?
" We will struggle for a society and world in which every individual enjoys full human rights, full protection of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, and in the United States equal protection of the Constitution and of all the laws. We seek a society in which every individual � regardless of color, nationality, national origin, ethnicity, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age, family structure, or mental or physical capability � is free to experience "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
I think they should take the word 'radical' out of their name. Here's their page, where I got that from. They are referencing the UN Charter and American Founding Fathers. Nothing there about promoting genocide, but if I look closely there's some stuff about opposing it. Yeah, it's politics, and looks like the very best kind there is, the kind that tries to educate people and work toward improvements in the lives of people in the world.
Oh, but golly, they favor affirmative action ... oooooohhhhh nnnooooooo!!!!
A couple of things. First they support the release of all non-violent offenders. They say these prisoners should be released "and provided with appropriate medical, rehabitative care and educative assistance without incarceration" So if someone steals a million dollars by fraud we should give him a pat on the head or what?
Secondly did you read article XII in which they demand reparations for the past four centuries of Black mistreatment. If I were an American I'd be outraged that I would have to pay for things other people did hundreds of years ago. That is out there in left field. Yes they have some laudable goals. This is NOT a laudable goal by any means.[ At the least I would say that qualifies as one of the "divisible ideologies" that Mr. Gopher mentioned.
Neither does it qualify as "the complete absence of any call to struggle" as you said about some other works
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| Barbara Ransby is a "long term political activist" |
You forgot to mention the first two titles your website gives her: historian and writer. Talk about yer cherry-picking - I mean, give me a break. You're not trying to hide it, sure, but if I can be pilloried for casting a wary eye at a guy with a master's degree in P.E., well ...
Not cherry-picking. You claimed in a recent post there was little politics...so I'm showing the politics side. Simply posting the relevant. information.
Methinks you got hypnotized by the word 'radical again. Her book, Ella Baker and the Black Freedom Movement: A Radical Democratic Vision
is a work of serious historical documentation
Exactly my point. Simply because the blog itself may not be comparable to a journal doesn't mean the information it contains is less valuable or that the people mentioned within it don't have points of view worth sharing. ,
detailing the life of an early civil-rights leader. As you can see from the except below of a review in The American Historical Review, the word 'radical' refers to the idea that social change can occur from what we would today call the grassroots, the people who are normally consiodered powerless. It is, in essence, the heart of democracy.
That notion of social change "from the bottom up" and its corollary�that leaders are not born but developed�are at the heart of the shift in the post-World War II civil rights movement once SNCC "invaded" Mississippi after 1960. Those ideas also form the core of Baker's political philosophy�what Ransby calls "radical democracy." This book brings into focus Baker's quiet but profound contribution to the new phase of militancy that made the Mississippi movement possible and widened its objectives to yield a full-fledged political challenge to the Democratic Party in 1964 and to make possible the emergence of a poor people's movement. The idea that the oppressed should lead fueled subsequent social movements of the 1960s, however inchoately, and it remains a key principle of many community justice efforts today.
I think Mssrs Marable and Strickland worry you because they both wrote biographies of Malcom X.
Nope they don't worry me at all. Again simply pointing out the politics. Marable's book How Capitalism Underdeveloped Black America seems quite political in nature.
Strickland is a member of the IBW (not that there's anything wrong with that.)..but again the political angle comes into play.
Again one of my points here was to get you to see that yes there is politics and quite a bit of it in African American Studies
I prefer King, myself
Larry? 
, but we have to live with the fact that some black activists have promoted a form of activism (referred to as "self-defense") that is not quite in keeping with the spirit of Gandhi and Thoreau. It would be a poor historical canon that did not study and document Malcom as well as other black leaders - black historians would be irresponsible to neglect him, in fact.
It's nothing close to espousing the genocide of the white race, however.
True, which again brings us back to another point. The professors and writers mentioned here seem more level-headed and rational than Kanbon, so why could they not be representative of African American Studies departments?
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I've got a class right now but will get back to you on this later. Just one question for now? Do you think these people mentioned above could
be a replacement for Ms. Richeson as representing black studies? |
It's Mr Kanbon, and The new Black Panthers who are non-representative of academia, my man.
Let's be clear: Ms Richeson does not need any replacement as far as I can see. |
Oh she doesn't need it. I however think taking one person as the representative is too small a sample. |
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mises
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Jonathan Kay: That's 'African-American hole' to you, pal
Posted: July 09, 2008, 4:57 PM by Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay
This just in from sources in Dallas: The galaxy is racist!:
A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon. County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts. Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office. Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole." That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy. Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term. A black hole, according to Webster's, is perhaps "the invisible remains of a collapsed star, with an intense gravitational field from which neither light nor matter can escape." Other county officials quickly interceded to break it up and get the meeting back on track. TV news cameras were rolling, after all.
Here in Canada, I look forward to the human-rights complaint against the The Royal Society of London for the Improvement of Natural Knowledge, which first promoted the black-hole concept when it published a letter by geologist John Michell in 1783. Couldn't its Council of Trustees have forseen that the concept would eventually be used to incite hatred and contempt against black city administrators?
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/07/09/jonathan-kay-that-s-african-american-hole-to-you-pal.aspx |
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Gopher
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Ha.
The new NewSpeak dictionary will apparently not only delete "black hole" but also the color "black" for its obvious insensitivity. |
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mises
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| In such a climate, it is easy to see why "whites are anxious about race". |
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Nowhere Man
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| Do you think minorities are anxious about race? |
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Zenas
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Who's going to turn me into the thought police for this post?
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Hello mister martyr! We don't care about you that much. |
Who's "we"? Are you now a spokesman? You are obviously not speaking for those who have already stated that they want him banned or hurled names at him. |
Yeah, there are some PC posters that don't like those who don't agree with them playing in their playground. So, instead of refuting the points made, they run whining to the thought police to have the rascal expelled. These are the same types that giggle with glee when people like Zundel or Rudolf are incarcerated for thinking for themselves and daring to express their thoughts.
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Kuros
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Jonathan Kay: That's 'African-American hole' to you, pal
Posted: July 09, 2008, 4:57 PM by Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay
This just in from sources in Dallas: The galaxy is racist!:
A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon. County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts. Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office. Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole." That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy. Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term. A black hole, according to Webster's, is perhaps "the invisible remains of a collapsed star, with an intense gravitational field from which neither light nor matter can escape." Other county officials quickly interceded to break it up and get the meeting back on track. TV news cameras were rolling, after all.
Here in Canada, I look forward to the human-rights complaint against the The Royal Society of London for the Improvement of Natural Knowledge, which first promoted the black-hole concept when it published a letter by geologist John Michell in 1783. Couldn't its Council of Trustees have forseen that the concept would eventually be used to incite hatred and contempt against black city administrators?
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/07/09/jonathan-kay-that-s-african-american-hole-to-you-pal.aspx |
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The Bobster
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TUM, I had to take a couple days to suss out your last missive to us and try to first figure out what your thesis is, and then try to understand where we are misunderstanding each other, and in the end I rather wierdly suspect that we are not actually in any real disagreement, at least not about the matter directly in front of us.
At a certain point in the process, I was reminded of a tiny and inconsequential, and slightly humorous poem I read years ago called "How to Build An Owl." The first step was "Decide you must," and I can't help but think that what you gave here was an owl that was not actually required. The last step, as I recall: "Hold your owl close, and whisper its ear: 'Mouse.'" And again, what I feel like I'm seeing is an unnecessary owl, wandering around with nothing worthwhile to do ...
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| I'm not talking about journals, I'm talking about people. Do you think that only people who've been written up in an academic journal have the appropriate credentials? Do you, really? |
When we are judging their level of excellence as members of academia, I think academic journals are a good place to start. I think political blogs are maybe not such a good place to start - unless we are looking for politics. I was looking for academic prowess, and you are looking for something else. Apparently.
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| Note the four people (Rose Brewer PhD, Manning Marable, PhD, Barbara Ransby PhD and William L. Strickland) who have experience in the relevant field. I'd say they're comparable to Ms. Richeson in qualifications. |
And almost as wonderful as that Kanbon fella who wants to kill all the white people ... WOW!
What's that got to do with anything? I don't recall saying he was wonderful or anything like that. |
I didn't say he was wonderful, either, and I'm sorry that the sarcasm escaped - it was clearly marked - because my intention is that he's the opposite of wonderful. What does he have to do with anything? He's the reason we're talking about black scholars. He was presented to us as one who has benefited, promoted and is a "product" of African-American studies. I've been saying you can choose just about anyone else and they would be more representative of people working in the field.
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| Rose Brewer is a leader of the Radical Black Congress which is very political indeed. Do a search on their goals. |
It might be true, but I haven't noticed her name anywhere on the group's website, so I'm not sure what level her involvement is. Do you? |
A couple of things. First they support the release of all non-violent offenders. They say these prisoners should be released "and provided with appropriate medical, rehabitative care and educative assistance without incarceration" So if someone steals a million dollars by fraud we should give him a pat on the head or what? |
This is not a radical idea or a dangerous one. It's just something you disagree with. It's nothing at all similar to espousing genocide of the white race. Who's talking about patting anyone on the head? What's the connection you are making with Rose Brewer, again?
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| Secondly did you read article XII in which they demand reparations for the past four centuries of Black mistreatment. If I were an American I'd be outraged that I would have to pay for things other people did hundreds of years ago. That is out there in left field. Yes they have some laudable goals. This is NOT a laudable goal by any means.[ At the least I would say that qualifies as one of the "divisible ideologies" that Mr. Gopher mentioned. |
Again, it's something you disagree with, and it is something has been discussed for decades and more.
It's probably not feasible, but it's at the heart of debates about affirmative action and other forms of "reverse discrimination." It's a social reality that certain segments of society are privelaged due to being born of certain parents or brought up in certain areas rather than others, so there are people alive today who continue to benefit from injustices of past centuries. It's not new information, or I hope it's not - and it's nothing radical or dangerous to look at that and see it for what it is, and even ask if equitable treatment of people in the present might be predicated on this. You don't agree with the notion of reparations, fine - what's wrong with people who want to talk about it, though?
By the way, do you know why Spike Lee's film company is named Forty Acres And A Mule Productions? It's what the US Govt promised to award the former slaves after the Civil War. Only a few actually received anything at all, though.
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| [b]Neither does it qualify as "the complete absence of any call to struggle" as you said about some other works |
Yes, I used that phrase about something else, academic journals, so I'm not sure why you're talking about it here, because this group under discussion is not merely a group of scholars, even if scholars are counted among their number. A political activist group is where calls for struggle belong, you know. In any case, "struggle" is being used in the nonviolent sense because any kind of reparations would take place either by writing a check or tax advantages to minority businesses or some other kind of social programs ... now tell me, is there anything here similar to calling for the extermination of the white race?
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| Barbara Ransby is a "long term political activist" |
You forgot to mention the first two titles your website gives her: historian and writer. Talk about yer cherry-picking ... |
Not cherry-picking. You claimed in a recent post there was little politics...so I'm showing the politics side. Simply posting the relevant. information. |
Pretty sure that fails the relevance test because I was talking about a scarcity of political topics in the table of contents of an academic journal - by which I wished to show the nature of intellectual discussion in the field of African-American studies - but you are talking about activism a scholar might choose to undertake in her life outside of the university.
(I once knew a mail carrier who was a lifelong Democrat, but he never talked to me about who to vote for when I bought stamps from him, because he was forbidden to do so, or even to wear a campaign button on his uniform, while engaged in his working life as an employee of the federal govt. I hope the analogy is clear - Mr Kanbon was promoting genocide while wearing the hat of a university employee.)
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| Simply because the blog itself may not be comparable to a journal doesn't mean the information it contains is less valuable or that the people mentioned within it don't have points of view worth sharing. , |
I hope you'll feel free to share anything you like, but I hope you won't try to convince us that since apples grow on trees and oranges do, too ... well, you get the idea.
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| Again one of my points here was to get you to see that yes there is politics and quite a bit of it in African American Studies |
Sure, but why are you trying to get me to see something I pointed outr from the start? I called attention to the word 'politics' in the wiki definition of African-American Studies, and I made the point that one would expect to see more than one does in the academic journal I cited. Seems like you went to a lot of work to convince us of something about which there was no dispute at all.
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| True, which again brings us back to another point. The professors and writers mentioned here seem more level-headed and rational than Kanbon, so why could they not be representative of African American Studies departments? |
It's not another point. It's the point I was making all along. (You have to remember to whisper "Mouse" in its ear, you know.)
But, um ... didn't you get the impression that Mr G really wanted us to think that Mr Kanbon and the Panthers were what naturally comes about when academia starts to think that the effects of ethnicity within society is something worth serious study? Now, why would he want us to think such a thing? |
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potblackettle
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Location: South Korea
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I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally, regardless of skin color. And honestly in today's society I think you could argue that society discriminates more based on class and gender than race.
Because poor whites, poor blacks, and poor hispanics are the ones who get screwed. Especially if they're poor and female. |
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