Korean Job Discussion Forums

[Austin]

Butterfly was correct in noting the percentage of people from different races to explain the abundance of "white" faces here.

I would argue that Korea's EFL industry is representative of the educated English speaking populations. Moreover, (at least in the U.S.) educated minorities have many more opportunities at home, so the need or desire to look abroad is not the same for the multitude that constitute the majority.

People may want to speak about race (objective), but there are so many other factors (subjective) that are not the "fault" of the applicants. Beauty, dialect, size, etc. are other factors that impact the process. I have meet employers in the past that only wanted people from the PNW, as it is considered the "standard" for non-distinct dialect, just look at the major news outlets in the U.S. (they do the same).

Austin

[Butterfly]

Couple of things Urban. Maoris are the indigeonus people of New Zealand, and by Pakistani I meant Anglo-Pakstini. He's gone now.

Point is, I have met, worked with, and know a fairly substantial number of non white English language instructors. Adult academies, I don't know about kids.

I wasn't for a minute trying to imply that a great many Korean hakwon owners don't employ racist hiring policies; I'm only trying to make the point that stating "We have our jobs because we have white faces" is an exaggeration of the issue, because, though they have had difficulties, there are non-white teachers here, who have found schools and bosses that hired them based not on their color but on their teaching credentials.

So I don't see why it is hypocritical to want to make it difficult for employers to use racist hiring policies, we have no love for our own employers do we? I feel that would only be hypocritical if any of us objected to having non-white colleagues, and of course we don't. We would wish to see a bit more diversity in our institutes, and hope that Korea sees our countries for the rainbows that they are, and there is nothing wrong with a little lobbying to help reach that eventuality. I don't think that is hypocritical.

Have a good weekend.

[Mosley]

One more angle on this issue(and I know the "ant-racist'' crew doesn't need yet another accusation of hypocrisy thrown its way;nor do I particularly wish to be placed in the same camp of a shrillmeister like, say, coffeecup,but...)that needs to be mentioned, IMHO. Those that get up in arms about "racism" tend to get upset about other "isms" as well(though not socialism/communism!). Not the least of these is "imperialism". Evil, nasty stuff! Well, how many ESL types over here(or elsewhere) stop to think that because of the "imperialism" of two great English-speaking countries, so many of us have jobs by dint of having simply been born into societies that enabled us to become native speakers of English? Why the demand for ESL in places like Korea? Well, English is the "international" lingua franca. And why is that? Well, in large part because of gunboats down the Yangtze R. or aircraft carriers in the Pacific. That's right folks-the last 2 centuries of Pax Britannica and then Pax Americana has placed in these jobs. Do the bleeding hearts bleed over that?

[Austin]

So true...

Enjoy your weekend,

Austin

[Butterfly]

You've made some huge assumptions about the opinions of your adversaries there Mosley.

[Tiberious aka Sparkles]

[Mosley]

Tiberious: If you think it's unsurprising that Austin agrees w/me, then you've missed, somehow, some of the bloodiest battles ever waged between 2 posters here at Dave's !!! Your bit about some(esp. me) being in the "pro-racist" camp was asinine & uncalled for(see the thread on the "Hitler Bar" in Gen. Disc.). I'm in the "anti-hypocrisy" camp. Butterfly: point conceded about overgeneralizing. Note I said they "tend" to get upset about other "isms" that they perceive to be evil. Exceptions? Of course. W/that disclaimer, I stand by my previous assertion.

[Tiberious aka Sparkles]

[Mosley]

What's asinine is specious "arguments" that stem from clutching at straws. Sure, bud. I've got dozens of clothing articles w/labels such as these:"made with sweatshop and slave labour." Yep, I saw the labels and bought the items anyway. Uh huh. Out.

[Tiberious aka Sparkles]

[stalinsdad]

Why are 90% of so called teachers that post such cock suckers?

I'm in my poetic phase.

[Mosley]

Since I'm borderline retarded(not full-blown retarded though-I'll have to try harder), I'm in the enviable position of having no choice but to make it so simple that even sparkles can understand. The BS about sweatshop clothing is an irrelevant cop-out on your part to free yourself from real action(i.e. resigning your position in this racist work environment & being back in Topeka or Blackpool by week's end) that would demonstrate the courage of your convictions. But no, you & your ilk prefer to clothe yourselves in sanctimony, all the while taking advantage of the situation you criticise(not just ESL teachers here-think anti-globalization protesters & $100K/yr. Marxist professors back home).
Is overt racism, like those nasty job ads, a lamentable thing? Damned right. But some of us have a REALISTIC perspective on how we benefit and how little can be done about it. I do so in my little ways here(e.g. pointing out to Korean teachers the absurdity of their racist assumptions) but at the end of the day, it's Korean(and Japanese, Taiwanese, etc.) society that bears the brunt of getting over its racist ways.

[Tiberious aka Sparkles]

[Mosley]

Your commitment to the "truth" was amply demonstrated by your childish dishonesty in using the first quotation out of context via omission-are you a Chomsky fan, by chance?
I'll wager you're under 30 or even under 25. Naive and sanctimonious does go w/the territory at that age. Well, laddy buck, post here again in 20 years and tell us how much you changed the world. And Korea. And Dave's ESL.

[Tiberious aka Sparkles]