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But I'll be the only Jew in church . . .
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politica



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Suwon-si

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: But I'll be the only Jew in church . . . Reply with quote

I don't know where this post should go, but it involves a co-teacher, so I figured here was as good a place as any . . .

I did not come to Korea to go to church. I came to Korea to teach. I happen to be Jewish (by choice). I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school for 12 years, and have read the bible cover to cover.

My problem: I am being absolutely HARASSED at school by my Christian co-teacher, and to a lesser degree, my principal. Both of them are "hardcore" Christians (they make the 5 a.m. mass every morning), as are several of the other teachers . . .

I am constantly bombarded by offers to go to church on Sunday (and by "offers" I mean the teachers questioning me as to why I don't want to go . . . when I'm going to go . . . etc.) This happens on a near daily basis. I've explained my reasoning over and over again, but its just not sinking in. Now its going further . . . they are threatening to find me a nice Korean Christian boyfriend (did I mention that I'm gay?- not out at work though for obvious reasons), because that will surely perk my interest in going to church. Oh yes, and then there's the music. Christian music blasting in the room I share with my co-teacher everyday. Every-goddamn-day.

I don't know what to do. What would you do? I've already talked politely about it to the involved persons, to no avail. They think I'm being unreasonable. I feel like I'm being persecuted.

Help please Sad
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe that nice christian korean guy might perk up your interest in men too?

Just a thought Wink
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Adobe



Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Location: SK

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if you live in a big city or small town, but my town/village is small. The first two months were similiar to what you describe, apart from the christain music. I explained that i travel on the weekends and that was why i couldn't make the services(they then tried bible study...but that is another story...) after a while they abandoned all hope for this heathen. Just continue to excuse yourself, and if you are in a small town travel. If you are in the big smoke then it is unlikly they will be scouting you every move.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
Maybe that nice christian korean guy might perk up your interest in men too?

Just a thought Wink


Damn!

Anyway, stop explaining, but keep saying no. They (religious fanatics) see arguments as a vulnerability in your defenses! Arguing is their cue to attack! Stop doing it.
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are teaching at a Christian school, you might be out of luck. If it was me, I personally would like to engage them in theological debate to make them stop. But that is just me. Politeness is running thin, so firmly but kindly tell them you believe what you believe and they can believe what they believe. Since it is the principal who is one of the proselytizing maniacs this can be a bit tricky. Your location says you are in Suwon. Since you mention a co-teacher, I am going to assume that you work at a public school--A SECULAR public school. You should complain to the Gyeonggi Provincial Office of Education and see how they can help you. I find this situation infuriating, even though I myself am of the Christ believing variety. I feel aggravated for you.
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might try talking to someone at the synagoge in Seoul, maybe they have experience dealing with that sort of thing.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you're a Muslim. I can guarentee that will shut them up. Or do what I did. Sing Anarchy in the UK at your next school Karoke Party

I am an Anti-Christ
I am an Anarchist
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

merkurix wrote:
If it was me, I personally would like to engage them in theological debate to make them stop.


...*snickers*

What, no, I didn't say anything... heheh.
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
merkurix wrote:
If it was me, I personally would like to engage them in theological debate to make them stop.


...*snickers*

What, no, I didn't say anything... heheh.


Wink From my experience it's worked well with other Christians. One of the given premises we have in common is belief in the Bible and faith, I have had success in stopping that kind of thing in the past. With other non-Christian groups and atheists, it doesn't work well and probably never will (and I won't try).

Tell them some of their beliefs are wrong is better than brushing it off politely. OP, if you say you are Jewish, tell them why Christianity is all wrong, and why they are in error. I'm sure you have very good reasons for choosing the faith you have chosen despite having a sound Christian education. Tell them why you don't believe in Jesus. Most of these groups will get rocked to their core if they feel that their beliefs are challenged--especially if one doesn't believe in Jesus. It will probably stop them.

For example, tell them that going to church on Sunday is a huge sin and you do not want to go to hell for it for not keeping the Sabbath. The day God designated for worshiping Him according to Mosaic Law is Saturday. Wink

That ought to do it.
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't you lie and say your now attending an english language church somewhere else....they can't blame you for wanting the holy word in english.
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You won't be the only Jew, I think one more might be hanging around there somewhere. Wink
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pootle



Joined: 05 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:14 am    Post subject: But I'll be the only Jew in church . . . Reply with quote

Just keep saying 'No' - politely, but firmly. There are so many instances within my four months of being here of kindly people trying to get me to go for lunch at their church, go to a picnic with their church, go to their church friends' noodle restaurant etc. and I just say 'No, thank you'.

Don't engage in theological debates, it's grist to the mill. You have your beliefs and unless you're feeling evangelical there is no reason for you to try to make anyone else understand.

I was told before coming to Korea to 'beware strange cults' and maybe I've been a little too aware. I'm sure that most people who ask me to attend their church are not mad cultists but if that's their only method of engagement then I get a little paranoid.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wrote that you have told them your reasons for not wanting to go to church, but did you make it clear that you are Jewish?

Have you explained you have your religious views and it makes you uncomfortable for them to be constantly asking you to change? Have you mentioned that when they push you to attend their church you feel they are not showing respect to you and your religion?

You have a right to be firmer than you have been up to this point.
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rhinocharge64



Joined: 20 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My GOD!! Conservative Christian Koreans, the DEVIL reincarnated!!!! Laughing Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Good look.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see you have two choices:

1. Suck it up and deal with it.

2. Quit.

Or you could keep going on about it and people will start to call you a whiner.
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