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[Rteacher]

There is no bottom line - the spiritual sky is unlimited.

Just because science currently isn't on a quest to discover Absolute Truth doesn't mean that it ideally shouldn't strive toward that goal.

It's of course possible that the Vedic literatures and Krishna may be lying, but I have no reason to believe that's the case - based on the complete faith and pure devotional qualities displayed by my own spiritual master and many other realized souls in disciplic successions going back thousands of years, faithfully transmitting transcendental knowledge originating from God.

God has also revealed Himself in other religious traditions, including Christianity (though their current popular conceptions of God leave key theological questions unresolved.)

If the Vedic conclusion is correct that all human activities and inquiries should ultimately be directed at understanding the personal feature of the Absolute Truth, then it would be wiser for science to at least theoretically accept the existence of a Supreme Being to account for the origin of life, consciousness, and universal creation (rather than assuming otherwise.)

Of course, natural processes and mechanisms could still be fully investigated to see how God's material nature is working.

[mindmetoo]

[Rteacher]

I think that scientists save time by often relying on conclusions reached by previous scientists regarded as authorities - especially when duplicating sophisticated experiments is not practically possible.

Krishna's position as God is philosophically established in the first nine Cantos of Srimad Bhagavatam - which need to be studied in order to appreciate the transcendental nature of His earthly pastimes which are described in the tenth Canto.
http://srimadbhagavatam.com/

Of course there are lower stages, but the perfectional stage of scientific knowledge, philosophical research, art, literature, or any human endeavor is to understand and please God by whatever talent and ability we have.

There have been many great scholars in the devotional line from Krishna that includes Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, including Jiva Gosvami ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiva_Goswami

[Omkara]

RTeacher, why don't you take up a study of science? It'd do you well to get ahold of what science really is. Then, you can make up your own mind, independent of your "perfect" teacher.

It really concerns me that you'd think your source and teacher perfect.

Anyone have any suggestions for some good books on science, that are not painful, but a joy, to read?

[Underwaterbob]

A bit outdated (ironically) "A Brief History of Time"

[Omkara]

Another one which is good, though a bit outdated, is Carl Sagan's "Cosmos."

Some of the details may be outdated, but the essential form is correct and facinating. There is a video to match the book, too.

[mindmetoo]

[Rteacher]

I give the benefit of faith to God and His pure representatives - not to people who fail to appreciate the sanctity of all life and are at least indirectly responsible for all kinds of unnecessary killing, pollution and environmental destruction which have been concomitant with so-called scientific advancement.

There are good and bad scientists, which is why science should be guided by an ethical system that sees the unity of all forms of life as spiritual particles of the Supreme Being.

Everyone can do their work in apparently the same way - but those who do so in God consciousness are advancing toward the real goal of life, while those whose consciousness is materially absorbed make little or no advancement on the spiritual path - and run the risk of falling back into the evolutionary cycle at the end of this current life.

I consider this to be real knowledge - more "priceless" than what you can get with a Master Card (or a degree in science.)

[mises]

[Omkara]

RTeacher,

There is a subtle irony here. When we hold something to be sacred--especially when we make some otherworldly thing sacred--we hold another thing to be unsacred. Until we hold all things to be sacred, all things to be in some fundamental sense equal, we'll never win this battle for the sacred earth.

Many scientists hold earth to be sacred. Moreover, I think there is room for a religious attitude in science. But, unless we can see that even material is sacred (since its various combinations make consciousness possible), we will lose sacred consciousness.

I can see only science birthing the knowledge by which we can preserve our consciousness in order to continue learning who we are.

By evolution we have arrived here. And evolution will continue with or without us. Only science can prepare the knowledge base by which we can fashion a proper ethics in order to preserve this mystery.

[fiveeagles]

[JMO]

[Rteacher]

Nothing material is intrinsically sacred, but when a material thing is used in devotional service to God it becomes spiritualized.

I'm concerned that "Omkara" has been exposed to too much impersonalist philosophy.

If it's "all one" why not just eat some dog crap?

[mindmetoo]

[mindmetoo]