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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: Korea's oldest book "stolen" by France |
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Does anyone know about this?
I was chatting to my supervisor who mentioned that Koreas oldest book was stolen by France. According to her, the Japnese looted this precious book from korea and gave it to the French, who now keep it in one of their museums and won't give it back.
She also claims koreans invented the worlds first printing press and this book proves it.
So I managed to find this:
http://prkorea.com/english/e_truth/e_truth5_2.htm
Does she have a case? |
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CheeseSandwich
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Yes they invented it right after they invented the MP3. |
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jvalmer

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: |
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I think it's a set of books. Supposedly, the French are "loaning" half the collection to Korea to be put on display. I'm not sure of the details. If Korea is smart, they'd just "delay" returning the books. |
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bluelake

Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Back in 1866, France sent a naval squadron to Korea as a punitive measure for a group of Catholic priests being executed. They battled with Korean forces here and there, but really accomplished nothing. Before they left, they took archives that were stored on Kanghwa Island. Korea has been trying to get them returned for years with no success. However, with my successful bid to get a historical flag returned to Korea this past fall from the US (on a long-term "loan"), the Cultural Heritage Administration was going to try the same thing with the archives from France. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Do you think all foreign artifacts stored in museums around the world should be returned to the place they were originally collected?
If that happened, the British museum would have to be virtually airlifted back to Egypt.
Bluelake wrote: |
my successful bid to get a historical flag returned to Korea this past fall from the US |
Congratulations. Did such a warm gesture from the Americans even make the press in this country?? |
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bluelake

Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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nautilus wrote: |
Do you think all foreign artifacts stored in museums around the world should be returned to the place they were originally collected?
If that happened, the British museum would have to be virtually airlifted back to Egypt.
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my successful bid to get a historical flag returned to Korea this past fall from the US |
Congratulations. Did such a warm gesture from the Americans even make the press in this country?? |
Such is the reason countries do not want to give back so-called "war prizes". If you give one back, everyone else will be asking for theirs.
In the case of the flag, it was really not a "warm gesture" from the US; museums loan items to each other frequently. My impression is it was grudgingly done for that very reason. My hope is, in the next nine years (the remaining loan time), a permanent return can be worked out.
If you saw how the flag was displayed in the US Naval Academy Museum (rolled up on the bottom shelf of a display case) and how it was displayed in Korea (it had huge exhibitions), you know where it is appreciated more.
In the case of the 1866 French incursion, I privately was able to get one item returned to Korea. It was a bow that had been taken, was preserved for a time in a French museum, and then was cleared out and found in an antique store in France. A friend of mine found it and I arranged to receive it; I brought it back to Korea and it now is in the Korean Army Museum (at the Korea Military Academy).
As for Korean press, it's been all over the news for the past year. Here is a recent one:
http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2008/03/31/2008033101667.html |
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Bigfeet

Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Grrrrr.....
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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This is the first I've heard of this. It could be true but it didn't have anything to do with advancing western history. What good is an invention of nothing much comes of it? The article spent most of its type mentioning what steel movable type did for the west then spent a paragraph or two mentioning that it was invented in Korea first.
This is analogous to the Vikings having discovered America hundreds of yeas before Columbus did. They had one small settlement up in New England. They disappeared soon after and nothing was ever heard of them or their discovery again. So really, what good did they do for the world? Not much.
So Gutenberg may not have been the first person to invent steel movable type. But he was a seminal figure in the chain of inventors that brought the West to where it is today. |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Read "Gai-Jin", by James Clavell? During the US civil war, Japan was still a closed (to gai-jin) society. He may have mentioned Korea (mainland) some, I forget....but
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Clavell sweeps readers back to Japan in the 1860s, ... |
Anyhow, it's good book to read about Japanese society in that time frame. It's like the sequel to Shogun, 300 years before. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Kikomom wrote: |
Read "Gai-Jin", by James Clavell? During the US civil war, Japan was still a closed (to gai-jin) society. He may have mentioned Korea (mainland) some, I forget....but
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Clavell sweeps readers back to Japan in the 1860s, ... |
Anyhow, it's good book to read about Japanese society in that time frame. It's like the sequel to Shogun, 300 years before. |
Except that Clavell's books are complete fantasy... Shogun is for entertainment purposes only -- about as accurate a portrayal of Japan at the time as books about King Arthur are of Britain in the Dark Ages. |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes fantasy is the only thing that holds my interest, q. Certainly not dry textbooks.
Besides, I'm not the academic here. I'll save that for you teachers to handle.
Guess you'd think Michener was all made up too? Drifters and Caravans, nah... can't learn anything there.
Anyways, this thread about artifacts and books reminded me of a book by Katherine Neville, The Eight. And a Johnny Depp (thanks to Adventurer's avatar) movie, The Ninth Gate. |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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The Chinese made the first printing press and some centuries later Korea invented the first printing press with movable type. It's quite possible that Gutenberg independently developed the same technology on his own. Charles Babbage designed a mechanical computer that was never built and only rediscovered after IBM (?) had developed an electro-mechanical computer. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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I love how they used giant thumb tacks (yes, you can see how it is stretched.) to hold it in place on that sloping display.  |
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bluelake

Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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poet13 wrote: |
I love how they used giant thumb tacks (yes, you can see how it is stretched.) to hold it in place on that sloping display.  |
To be honest, I was a bit dismayed at how they attached it too... |
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ernie
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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i can't fathom how the chinese managed to invent moveable type but not a PHONETIC alphabet! i can imagine them thinking: "jeez, instead of having sets of 20 000 metal characters, wouldn't it be easier to represent the SOUNDS instead?" what if a character repeats itself a number of times on the same page? imagine having multiple copies of 20 000 tile sets!
moveable type without phonetic characters is like inventing the automobile without wheels... |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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ernie wrote: |
i can't fathom how the chinese managed to invent moveable type but not a PHONETIC alphabet! i can imagine them thinking: "jeez, instead of having sets of 20 000 metal characters, wouldn't it be easier to represent the SOUNDS instead?" what if a character repeats itself a number of times on the same page? imagine having multiple copies of 20 000 tile sets!
moveable type without phonetic characters is like inventing the automobile without wheels... |
Ignorant...
Practically the average Chinese only uses a couple thousand of the characters his whole life. |
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