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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject:

alcohol is a greatr way to lose weight. You puke up all your meals, and don't feel like eating until dinner time the next day. Think about it. You need 21 meals a day. Drunks skip 4 on average. Don't drink beer either, 40% or higher, and you're good to go. -liver disease is a MUCH better way to go.

Fishead soup

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject:

nicholas_chiasson wrote:

alcohol is a greatr way to lose weight. You puke up all your meals, and don't feel like eating until dinner time the next day. Think about it. You need 21 meals a day. Drunks skip 4 on average. Don't drink beer either, 40% or higher, and you're good to go.
-liver disease is a MUCH better way to go.

Soju is pretty low in calories too.

Fresh Prince

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject:

Fishead soup wrote:

You shouldn't cut out everything you enjoy in life. Life is pretty pointless if you just sit around eating nude salad. Or go on the raw/vegan diet. There's gotta be some pleasure in life.

Oh no, not vegan or even vegetarian. It's just making small changes that add up. To cut the BP fast though, that's what I was recommended. A few beers on the weekend, and a cup of coffee or two in the morning doesn't raise my BP anymore since it's at a normal level nearly all the time. In moderation though.

When I saw the doctor he assured me that with my lifestyle and blood pressure the way it was, it was only a matter of time before I had a stroke, which would likely leave me paralyzed. It scared me into shape. Changing my diet didn't seem like a big deal after that.

sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:15 am Post subject:

Fishead soup wrote:

sojourner1 wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

Cook with Olive oil. That's what I do. My blood pressure used to be 180/100 now it's 110/70. I still eat Sam gyup sal at least twice a week.
I love spicy barbequed chicken too.

How did you get the awfully high blood pressure to come down? I've had high blood pressure for a couple years now around 145/95. When I'm using a stair climbing machine in a gym like I was doing for a couple months this year in the states, I was getting much better readings of 127 to 135 over 78 to 85 and felt great, so I'm going to get back on that as I quit 2 months ago. This morning it was 147/104 which is bad. The hawthorn and garlic pills don't effect my BP as it's said they are the only over the counter medicine. A Korean co-teacher has a small monitor that he uses over and over regularly in the office. I found out, because I knew something was not right since late 06 where I have a slight malaise feeling and dull pains in the top left of my head from high blood pressure. I know when my blood pressure is good, because that's when I feel good.

The bad fats as well as alcohol and cigarettes are a huge risk factor.

Lose weight. I was at 106 kilo's when my bp was 180/110. Now I'm at 90 kilos 110/70. Another important thing is that you can still have a life and work on lowering your blood pressure. When I was first diagnosed I tried to go cold turkey No alcohol no fatty food= no fun. Make your lifestyle changes gradual still enjoy a night out with your friends sometimes. You have to make a long term plan. Exercise in another key.

Medication is also good. Try Beta Blockers.

Yes, I got my weight down to 89 kilos and was heavier like you last year. Reducing weight didn't help my BP improve, but getting back on the cardio can help as I was getting readings of 130/85 (still not good enough) when on a regular schedule at a gym. I don't have any of the hydrogenated oils in my diet and I eat very little beef and pork and am losing weight. How would I go about getting these beta blocker pills in Korea? I guess that would be Lisinopril as my brothers are on that for high BP. I'm going to ask the Korean teacher at one of my schools if he can help get me seen to get some medicine. Better to get treated and feel better than to keep going down this path I'm on.

I went to a doctor for flue and tonsillitis last year and he didn't say or do anything about my high blood pressure. I mentioned I was concerned as it should be 120/80, but he said it's not a problem that it's 145/90 at the time. I beg to differ on that one as I know I'm not working right.

Fishead soup

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject:

sojourner1 wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

sojourner1 wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

Cook with Olive oil. That's what I do. My blood pressure used to be 180/100 now it's 110/70. I still eat Sam gyup sal at least twice a week.
I love spicy barbequed chicken too.

Try not to get your Korean co-teacher involved unless you don't mind having your entire school board know about your health problems. You should have no problem getting the medicine yourself. Korean doctors tend to refer to it as hypertention. Most can speak enough English to get their point across.

Don't tell your co-teacher. It's none of their buisness. They are actually not that much help and they're tendency to blab makes it worse.

Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject:

mindmetoo wrote:

Bigfeet wrote:

Why? Because corporations run the US. I guess this has always been true though, more or less.

People can not eat a big mac and eat an apple. People have this choice.

No, no, no... society tells us that it is always someone's fault. There is no personal responsibility anymore.
Wink

Fishead soup

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject:

mindmetoo wrote:

Bigfeet wrote:

Why? Because corporations run the US. I guess this has always been true though, more or less.

People can not eat a big mac and eat an apple. People have this choice.

In Korea you can have both It's called a Wellbeing Burger.

Bulgogi burger with a slice of Pineapple. Yummy.

sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject:

Fishead soup wrote:

sojourner1 wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

sojourner1 wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

Cook with Olive oil. That's what I do. My blood pressure used to be 180/100 now it's 110/70. I still eat Sam gyup sal at least twice a week.
I love spicy barbequed chicken too.

Yes, I know they talk on their cell phones about everything. I only had the idea of getting this one Korean teacher at one of my schools as he showed me yesterday morning that he had high BP with his portable monitor and I took a reading and mine's high too. I wanted to talk him into both of us going to get seen by a doctor as he would be better at locating this and explain that this is only our business and no one else s and that it's nothing to be ashamed of. I don't see why he would say no as he's very worried about his high BP as he'll sit there and do it over and over regularly and then just close his eyes and rest on the sofa for a while when not teaching. He knows he needs help as he's worried about his 157/111 readings, but may not know how to go about it and I do, if only I could speak Korean so I'll tell him what we can do about this problem we both have.

I'm in the most remote rural part of Korea and don't expect much of anyone to understand what I'm talking about, but often show them. For example, I wanted ground beef yesterday at the butcher, but had to show the butcher by pointing at the grinder after she'd sliced my beef from a rump roast. It's $10 a pound. I'm learning more vocabulary as people don't speak English outside the schools, but still severely lacking the words to say. My doctor last year spoke English, but was a quack who just had his assistant give you narcotic rump shots for everything. I was sick for my 1st 3 months straight with colds, flues, and tonsillitis.

Fishead soup

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

sojourner1 wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

sojourner1 wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

sojourner1 wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

Cook with Olive oil. That's what I do. My blood pressure used to be 180/100 now it's 110/70. I still eat Sam gyup sal at least twice a week.
I love spicy barbequed chicken too.

See a doctor in Seoul. I used to go to the International clinic in Iteawon. The guy speaks English without an accent. High blood pressure is nothing to fool around with it's known as a Silent Killer because usually there's no symtoms. You can feel perfectly well and still be sick. Once you start taking the pills your pressure will go down. But some have side effects.
Once you find the right combination of pills you can get your doctor to write enough pills for three months so you can go to the clinc less often.
Don't see a doctor who stresses you out as you will always get high readings. You should see a doctor who makes you feel comforatable.

Fresh Prince

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject:

There's 1000's of different BP pills out there, but a lot of treatments are combinations of two pills. A standard pill like lysinoprill and a water pill to remove excess water from the bloodstream, or lysinoprill and a pill that does something else. Some people just get one though. I used to go to a clinic (usually share's a building with a hokwon or some other business) that had an English sign since I figured they would have decent English. Dr. Kim's family clinic, or something along those lines. They would write a prescription for some pills and I would take it to the pharmacy next door. The pharmacist spoke really good English so I would ask her what the pills were, and she would explain everything and give recommendations. Before I figured out how to use the cheap clinics, I went to a hospital and most of the doctors there can speak medical English. They did the same thing with writing a prescription to take to a pharmacy, but the hospital was more expensive. I think it was 35,000 for the hospital, compared to 10,000 for the clinic. Talking to a pharmacist might help too, I heard they can prescribe some medications but I don't know about BP pills. I agree, you don't want to mess around with high BP, maybe if you show your friend your prescription and your BP reading comes up perfect he'll go to the doctor too.

Fishead soup

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject:

Fresh Prince wrote:

There's 1000's of different BP pills out there, but a lot of treatments are combinations of two pills. A standard pill like lysinoprill and a water pill to remove excess water from the bloodstream, or lysinoprill and a pill that does something else. Some people just get one though.

I used to go to a clinic (usually share's a building with a hokwon or some other business) that had an English sign since I figured they would have decent English. Dr. Kim's family clinic, or something along those lines. They would write a prescription for some pills and I would take it to the pharmacy next door. The pharmacist spoke really good English so I would ask her what the pills were, and she would explain everything and give recommendations.

Before I figured out how to use the cheap clinics, I went to a hospital and most of the doctors there can speak medical English. They did the same thing with writing a prescription to take to a pharmacy, but the hospital was more expensive. I think it was 35,000 for the hospital, compared to 10,000 for the clinic. Talking to a pharmacist might help too, I heard they can prescribe some medications but I don't know about BP pills.

I agree, you don't want to mess around with high BP, maybe if you show your friend your prescription and your BP reading comes up perfect he'll go to the doctor too.

I agree with everything you say and wish you luck with your health. The only thing I want to add is you should not willingly disclose any confidential
information to anyone at your school about your health. Even if it appears in friendly helpful conversation.
I once got transfered to this terrible one room dormitory that was a 20 minute ride to the nearest shop. I later found out it was the supervisor whom I did my Health check with who advised that I take this location. Apparently he thought the clean fresh air would do me good. From now on I never go with anyone from my school to a doctor or clinic. It's simply none of their buisness.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject:

R. S. Refugee wrote:

I've been aware of the dangers of trans fat for a very long time. It is becoming somewhat easier to avoid.

Me too. For a few years now, I've banished anything from my cooking that isn't olive oil or butter. I switched from margerine to butter on my bread (although I don't eat that much butter/margerine anyway). The problem is it is still so prevalent in packaged food. When you are on a good income, you can afford healthy natural food, and pay for high quality products. But when your income drops dramatically (because of babies or whatever) and its very hard to make ends meet you suddenly find you are forced to eat more factory shit and less fruit and vegetables (which become budget busters on a low income). It really pisses me off that my kids are probably getting much more of this shit than they should.

Last night I watched a programme presented by Jamie Oliver called 'Eat for Your Life.' It was quite grisly as they had this German anatomist called Gunter, showing you chopped up body parts and saying look at the result of getting too much XYZ, and not enough ABC. Looking at the organs of a healthy person, and then that of a person diseased because of the shit they'd ingested over the years, was quite an eye opener. They explained how it's the change from people cooking their own food to most people eating processed food that is in large part responsible for f**king up our health. An average sausage in your great grandparents day was about 85% meat. Now the average sausage has about 35% meat. The rest is composed of absolute shyte.

One interesting thing that came up, which may be of use to people here, is that it is the chewing motion that sends the signal to your brain that you've had enough. Traditionally, we eat food that required a fair bit of chewing. However, most packaged food we ate today is soft and goes down relatively easy, so we are chewing much less. So you have the double whammy of the food having too much fat, salt or sugar, added to the fact you are hardly chewing it. And wham bam, no surprise, every one is much fatter than 40 years ago.

So I'm going to try to introduce more crunchy food into my kids' diets.

We are also pooing much less. They carted in a huge cart of sh!tty looking stuff and Jamie Oliver said "This is what a Ugandan sh!ts in a year." We viewers were then treated to the specticle of a much much smaller barrow of sh!t and told that that was what the average Brit sh!ts. Well well. The significance of this is that you are supposed to have a lot of fibre-filled sh!t coursing down your insides everyday, and this cleans up the bad stuff in your intestines and colon. But these days, people are just not getting enough fibre, and just not doing enough poo!

Last edited by Big_Bird on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:36 pm; edited 1 time in total

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject:

Fishead soup wrote:

If you'd rather not be sentenced to a lifetime of taking pills, I recommend seeing Naturopathic Medicine Dr. Jou in Seoul. He will take a detailed history, do a hair analysis, and make specific recommendations to get your pressure down.

And he speaks excellent English.

Fishead soup

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

Fishead soup wrote:

And eat nothing but tasteless plants, and enjoy teetotaling nights talking about Yoga and meditation with brain dead hippies. I'll take my chances with the pills. Even if it means fathering children with 3 heads.

sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject:

You know, a lot of Koreans these days, especially my students, are eating fast food daily. Do you think Korea could became an obese nation within the next 10, 20, or even 30 years?

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