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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| are there a few ska fans out there? I would say I have the greatest ska collection in KOrea. I have been a solid supporter for 20 years...old school, not skapunk |
I have to bump this ancient thread because of bundangbabo's claim here. Greatest ska collection in Korea? Move aside. (unless you have a ton of vinyl with you)
Also, American History X and Romper Stomper are bullshit that have done more to help white supremacist recruitment than to caution people about the retardation of white power. |
All my vinyl is at home but I still think, actually know I have the biggest collection in Korea of old school ska..for example I have 15 live special performances on album and all their studio albums and heaps of bootleg videos...its basically been my second job compiling all this stuff over 7 years but I am off in 6 weeks and then I can rip my vinyl bootlegs and have the mega-collection. |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Serious question for the historians: when did the skinhead thing become associated with racism and neo-nazism, and why?
Thanks-- |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| blurgalurgalurga wrote: |
Serious question for the historians: when did the skinhead thing become associated with racism and neo-nazism, and why?
Thanks-- |
There were a few situations on the sixties where Jamacans joined White skinheads in what was refered to as Paki-Bashing. It became more popular after a concert in Southall. Several bonheads walked into a immigrant area with their Vivienne Westwood/ MacClaren Nazi T-shirts
The immigrants were offended and attacked the concert. The press had been trying to kill the punk scene since the Grundy /tv swearing incident
and could'nt resist.
Bushell made some terrible mistakes labelling a compilation record strength through Oi not realizing it was linked to a Nazi slogan |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| No, no--he's got my number. |
54-46? |
Right now, someone else got that number. |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul
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Trivia time.....Who sang "Return of the Ugly"? While we've shifted to the rudie side of the spectrum.
No Googling either.
1. Bad Brains
2. Bad Manners
3. Bad Religion
Also to add, I do think that the US ruined the skinhead "movement". I just never took any of them to serious. SHARPS for that matter were/ are a waste of time also. We had an oi band in Atlanta called the Anti-Heros and Joe was a jew (guitar) So it was funny to see the WP crowd at their shows. I think there were only 6 of them at the time. Wanna see some funny stuff go to Skunks on the weekend and see the Korean "skins". (No harm intended Jonghee) RUX is a good band.
www.skunklabel.com |
It wasn't Bad Brains.
Bad Manners? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| bundangbabo wrote: |
All my vinyl is at home but I still think, actually know I have the biggest collection in Korea of old school ska..for example I have 15 live special performances on album and all their studio albums and heaps of bootleg videos...its basically been my second job compiling all this stuff over 7 years but I am off in 6 weeks and then I can rip my vinyl bootlegs and have the mega-collection. |
Well, you haven't compared your collection to mine. Granted, my collection is a little more reggae-heavy, but I've got tons of third-wave pre-ska-punk stuff like the Slackers and Skavoovie and more obscure Canadian stuff. I have enough two-tone to cover anything anyone could request at a DJ night.
As far as old school ska goes, I have a huge hunger for '60s bluebeat ska mp3s, although some stuff gets misfiled under reggae.
Oh yeah, and I have Chris Murray stored in my freezer. I'm thinking of thawing him out in September for a couple shows. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Lekker wrote: |
| 5600 wrote: |
Trivia time.....Who sang "Return of the Ugly"? While we've shifted to the rudie side of the spectrum.
No Googling either.
1. Bad Brains
2. Bad Manners
3. Bad Religion
Also to add, I do think that the US ruined the skinhead "movement". I just never took any of them to serious. SHARPS for that matter were/ are a waste of time also. We had an oi band in Atlanta called the Anti-Heros and Joe was a jew (guitar) So it was funny to see the WP crowd at their shows. I think there were only 6 of them at the time. Wanna see some funny stuff go to Skunks on the weekend and see the Korean "skins". (No harm intended Jonghee) RUX is a good band.
www.skunklabel.com |
It wasn't Bad Brains.
Bad Manners? |
Well, there's only one two-tone band on the list.
I second that about the US ruining the skinhead movement, although I've met lots of decent US skinheads over here. I never really understood hardcore music. We had an Atlanta skinhead here last year, a black guy named Adam.
These days, all the Korean skinheads are pretty well a joke, except for the guys from Cheongju.
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Lekker
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Serious question for the historians: when did the skinhead thing become associated with racism and neo-nazism, and why?
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Since before the Berlin Wall came down, late 70's/early 80's. A lot of squats in Berlin had a lot of shows. Skinhead bands from the UK came through? Played a bunch of shows? The image changed into something else, a resurfacing of Nazi ideals, made stronger by showing how white you are with your white head? My guess.
Then it moved into hard core, late 80's, Germany became one, became stronger. Then in America it was picked up by hard core, and now, when you see Neo Nazis all methed up with scabby lesions all over their face and tatoos all over their heads and necks, out ready to kill someone for no reason, you have to think. Is it really about white power or is it white trash? |
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Fishead soup
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| blurgalurgalurga wrote: |
Serious question for the historians: when did the skinhead thing become associated with racism and neo-nazism, and why?
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Racism can also be traced back to the Teddyboys also known as Teds. These guys wore Eduardian suits and had their hair greased back into a ducks arse.
The first crop of skins evolved out of the hard end of mod. They liked Jamacan ska. The Skinhead scene got racist when they got into punk via Sham 69. |
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Fishead soup
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| blurgalurgalurga wrote: |
Serious question for the historians: when did the skinhead thing become associated with racism and neo-nazism, and why?
Thanks-- |
Since before the Berlin Wall came down, late 70's/early 80's. A lot of squats in Berlin had a lot of shows. Skinhead bands from the UK came through? Played a bunch of shows? The image changed into something else, a resurfacing of Nazi ideals, made stronger by showing how white you are with your white head? My guess.
Then it moved into hard core, late 80's, Germany became one, became stronger. Then in America it was picked up by hard core, and now, when you see Neo Nazis all methed up with scabby lesions all over their face and tatoos all over their heads and necks, out ready to kill someone for no reason, you have to think. Is it really about white power or is it white trash? |
Sid Vicous used to wear a Swastika. He was a huge role model at the time. |
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5600
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Serious question for the historians: when did the skinhead thing become associated with racism and neo-nazism, and why?
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I'll be brief, original skins came out of the mod movement in the 60s. Mods were the Vespa driving, suit wearin crowd. The music was Rocksteady, Reggae, Ska(all Jamaican sounds) Rude boys were Jamaican gangsters who were tough and dressed nice. Thats were the mods got it. By 67 or so the mods split into 2 groups, glam/art school and hard mods. Hard mods wore jeans, boots, Ben Shermans and it was to show their working class style and background. There were black and white skins in those days I might add. Anyways to make a long story short it all kind fizzled out by 73 or so. Then in 76 when punk rock hit there was a resurgence of the skin movement. The original dudes didn't like it but that
was the way it was. They listend to all the punk bands and started their own. The National Front is resonsible for bringing rascim to Oi. They needed someone to carry the message so who better than the guys who couldn't get work, the skins. Somewhere along that time Skewdriver came along and it all went to hell after that. A lot of bands were considered racist at the time but never were. Business, Cocksparrer, Cockney Rejects, the list goes on. I'm showing my age...Blame the NF they started it. History can prove it. Also Ian Stuart had a big fat hand in it as well. |
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RACETRAITOR
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Skrewdriver wasn't racist when it formed. Ian Stuart used to be roommates with the guys from Madness. After his band broke up, he reformed it with new members and they became the world's most overrated white power band.
By the way, Samcheong used to cover one of their songs, "Tomorrow Belongs to Me." |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Serious question for the historians: when did the skinhead thing become associated with racism and neo-nazism, and why?
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I'll be brief, original skins came out of the mod movement in the 60s. Mods were the Vespa driving, suit wearin crowd. The music was Rocksteady, Reggae, Ska(all Jamaican sounds) Rude boys were Jamaican gangsters who were tough and dressed nice. Thats were the mods got it. By 67 or so the mods split into 2 groups, glam/art school and hard mods. Hard mods wore jeans, boots, Ben Shermans and it was to show their working class style and background. There were black and white skins in those days I might add. Anyways to make a long story short it all kind fizzled out by 73 or so. Then in 76 when punk rock hit there was a resurgence of the skin movement. The original dudes didn't like it but that
was the way it was. They listend to all the punk bands and started their own. The National Front is resonsible for bringing rascim to Oi. They needed someone to carry the message so who better than the guys who couldn't get work, the skins. Somewhere along that time Skewdriver came along and it all went to hell after that. A lot of bands were considered racist at the time but never were. Business, Cocksparrer, Cockney Rejects, the list goes on. I'm showing my age...Blame the NF they started it. History can prove it. Also Ian Stuart had a big fat hand in it as well. |
The early use of the swastika was just for shock value. Some members of the Bromely Contingency( including Sousie Souixe) appeared on the infamous Bill Grundy interview wearing a swastika armbands. This was in 1976. It's ironic but the guy who's wearing the swastika is in the same band with a black girl. Apparently people were so upset about the foul language they never noticed the swastika.
There are many other examples of how the music of the time flirted with facism. Example Joy Division got there name from prostitutes that serviced the German army. |
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5600
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| The Dills used a Nazi flag as a stage backdrop back in the late 70's as well. They were not an oi band, just did it to be funny. Joy Division was the band that you listened to when no one was around, kind like the Smiths. I'll add I hated Bahaus too. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| The Dills used a Nazi flag as a stage backdrop back in the late 70's as well. They were not an oi band, just did it to be funny. Joy Division was the band that you listened to when no one was around, kind like the Smiths. I'll add I hated Bahaus too. |
Nancy Spungeon was Jewish. On her tombstone is Hebrew writing. Could you imagine the look on her mothers face when she saw Sid wearing the swastika.
The singer from, "The Dead Boys", does a Nazi salute in the D.O.A. movie
The swastika was just used to piss off hippies. One of the first Canadian punk bands" The Viletones had a singer who's name was Nazi dog.
To hell with Joy Division when no ones around I put on Saturday Night Fever. |
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