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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| The whole issue is a silly, pointless, national identity issue that will go nowhere, and that's probably both good and useful. |
If it were silly then neither country would care. |
Sure, people get upset over tons of totally trivial, silly issues. Watch a few Daily Shows, you can see plenty examples of this.
Obama isn't wearing a flag pin! Oh, that means he hates America!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299578,00.html
Obama didn't eat a hot dog, he's an elitist!
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/07/16/obama-s-comedy-problem-cont-d.aspx
So much of politics is media driven meaninglessness that has no effect on anyone's daily life.
Dokdo will never have a substantial or even tangential effect on any Korean's life. It's a manufactured issue. Please, give me a break. They get upset over this nonsense when the elementary school I walk past daily on the way to work has NO sidewalks and tons of taxis screaming past it. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: |
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The foreigners down here in the South have had a theory for a while since this issue reflared.
2MB (rofl) called in a 'favor' and got the Japanese to refocus on the issue so that way the Korean people would stop beefin' over the beef. LMB looks strong by rebuffing these 'claims' in public, thus improving his image. In exchange, he'll probably give something else the Japanese want.
You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Well played indeed, 2MB.
I don't know what the protesters are saying, but there seems to be enough evidence from the Japanese side to support the Korean claims. On this page
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200804/200804220024.html
there's maps (the article says 10 different ones over the centuries) made in Japan showing the islands as Korean territory. There's other evidence than that of course. But why make the locals not worry? I want some T-Bone steak damnit!
The Koreans should man up and take it to court to close the issue, but the government won't. Why lose such a wonderful 'cash/pride cow'? Now, if people start cutting their fingers off again, then it might be time to step in and wrap this up. Their case is pretty open-and-shut. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| agentX wrote: |
The foreigners down here in the South have had a theory for a while since this issue reflared.
2MB (rofl) called in a 'favor' and got the Japanese to refocus on the issue so that way the Korean people would stop beefin' over the beef. LMB looks strong by rebuffing these 'claims' in public, thus improving his image. In exchange, he'll probably give something else the Japanese want.
You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Well played indeed, 2MB.
I don't know what the protesters are saying, but there seems to be enough evidence from the Japanese side to support the Korean claims. On this page
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200804/200804220024.html
there's maps (the article says 10 different ones over the centuries) made in Japan showing the islands as Korean territory. There's other evidence than that of course. But why make the locals not worry? I want some T-Bone steak damnit!
The Koreans should man up and take it to court to close the issue, but the government won't. Why lose such a wonderful 'cash/pride cow'? Now, if people start cutting their fingers off again, then it might be time to step in and wrap this up. Their case is pretty open-and-shut. |
sadly you might be onto something |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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The Ronald Reagan rode* into Busan three days ago.
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USS Ronald Reagan Visits Busan
The Seoul Times, South Korea - Jul 14, 2008
The second port call of the Nimitz-class nuclear-powered supercarrier to the port city is to promote friendship with South Korean navy. ... |
Sailors visiting orphanages and old folks homes to promote good will.
Ah ha. *being facetious with cowboy talk.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| And in any case it will never happen, since Japan's Constitution forbids it from using military power to settle such disputes. Any attempts to revise such parts would draw negative reviews from the U.S., Russia and China among others. |
Doesn't matter, it will be revised, only a matter of time. The US will be only too happy to let Japan revise its constitution to increase its own military expenditure (instead of the US fronting the bill as it's always done). As for China, it is a threat to Japan so of course it will voice opposition. Doesn't mean Japan need listen to it. |
There are many Japanese politicians who would oppose it...same as they opposed sending troops overseas. It's not a done deal.
And it would only likely spur China into a new arms race with Japan. Something the U.S doesn't want. Nor I would think does Japan. They're quite happy to let the U.S protect them...they can't match China's nuclear arsenal which is something the U.S doesn't want them doing either. |
How do you know what the US wants?
It doesn't want anything to stir up North Korea. And if South Korea wasn't important it wouldn't have troops there
This is not the 1950's, Japan has been a staunch ally of the US for over 50 years, the economies are interconnected, and it's entirely in American interest to have a strong Japan to counter Chinese influence. The Pacifist constitution is obsolete anyway, Japan's current military (while stronger than Korea's) does not reflect its economic power and strong influence in the region. The US has footed the almost the whole bill all this time, so both sides would benefit from revising Japan's military and allowing an overhaul.
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| And even if it were revised and they tried to attack Korea, they'd face the U.N Security Council sanctions and probably armed force. Russia and China would only be to happy to help curbstomp Japan and take back/gain territory. |
Who mentioned anything about Japan attacking Korea?
Dude, do you know anything about international law? Dokdo IS Korean territory. And the U.S. would NEVER sit by and let two of its allies come to blows. And this is right in China and Russsia's backyard, both of who have long standing quarrels with Japan...in fact Japan is still technically at war with Russia. They'd love to have an opportunity like this to ensure that Japan will NEVER become a threat to either of them.
I was talking about Japan taking back Takeshima. Nobody would do anything about it, neither the US, China or Russia. Which is why Japan should do it, instead of sitting back and taking sh*t from SK. |
Dream on. Japan knows that neither the U.S nor the U.N for that matter would tolerate that. And that would give ammunition to those who claim that Japan is trying to become a military world power again as in WWII. North Korea, Russia and China all have a interest in Japan staying militarily weak. They'd love a chance to pummel Japan. Japan knows what is good for it, which is why it is "sitting back and taking sh*t from SK." |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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A smart move by japan would be to send a fishing ship out there and egg on the K Navy. Then if K Navy did something aggressive, it could be taken as an act of aggression and get sanctions against SK.
Dokdo is only Korean territory through falsehoods and the machine gunning of innocent Japanese fishermen. They took advantage of the situation back then. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't matter, it's still Korean terrority.
One could say the same about Canada and America. It's only our territory because we killed off most of the original inhabitants...or so some claim |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| aka Dave wrote: |
| Dokdo will never have a substantial or even tangential effect on any Korean's life. It's a manufactured issue. Please, give me a break. They get upset over this nonsense when the elementary school I walk past daily on the way to work has NO sidewalks and tons of taxis screaming past it. |
They are quite possibly blowing it out of proportion, but I don't think Korea, a constant victim of foreign aggression historically, should react lightly to other countries claiming land that Korea thinks is Korea's. |
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