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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: McCartney tells Queb nationalists to smoke pipes of peace |
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McCartney tells Quebec nationalists to smoke 'the pipes of peace'
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CALGARY (CBC) - Paul McCartney is telling critics of his upcoming concert in Quebec City to "smoke the pipes of peace."
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In an interview with Radio-Canada, the former Beatle said he doesn't understand Quebec nationalists who say his presence is out of place at Quebec City's 400th birthday bash.
A small group of sovereigntist artists and politicians publicly critized McCartney's free concert, arguing his presence is overly "Canadianizing" the city's celebration.
McCartney said his free show on Sunday is about friendship, not politics.
"I think it's time to smoke the pipes of peace, and to just put away your hatchets," he said in the telephone interview. "I think it's a show of friendship. I'm very friendly with the French people I know. I know people of all nationalities."
His sovereigntist critics argue he shouldn't be playing such a prominent show in Quebec City because it would be too reminiscent of the battle between his native Britain and the French in Quebec in the 1750s.
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: Re: McCartney tells Queb nationalists to smoke pipes of peac |
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McCartney tells Quebec nationalists to smoke 'the pipes of peace'
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Thu Jul 17, 4:41 PM
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CALGARY (CBC) - Paul McCartney is telling critics of his upcoming concert in Quebec City to "smoke the pipes of peace."
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In an interview with Radio-Canada, the former Beatle said he doesn't understand Quebec nationalists who say his presence is out of place at Quebec City's 400th birthday bash.
A small group of sovereigntist artists and politicians publicly critized McCartney's free concert, arguing his presence is overly "Canadianizing" the city's celebration.
McCartney said his free show on Sunday is about friendship, not politics.
"I think it's time to smoke the pipes of peace, and to just put away your hatchets," he said in the telephone interview. "I think it's a show of friendship. I'm very friendly with the French people I know. I know people of all nationalities."
His sovereigntist critics argue he shouldn't be playing such a prominent show in Quebec City because it would be too reminiscent of the battle between his native Britain and the French in Quebec in the 1750s.
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Peace? Hatchets? Quebec has been one of the most peaceful separatist movement on planet earth. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| McCartney was just telling them to chill out and not get all dramatic over a concert by a former Beatle. As one French Quebecer said that most Quebecers agree with, "C'est stupide". Some of the nationalists are reasonable and open-minded, but some are nutty. This doesn't reflect most French Quebecers, I think, just some who are extreme and feel paranoid about seeing anything English. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| McCartney was just telling them to chill out and not get all dramatic over a concert by a former Beatle. |
Yeah, I get that. His rhetoric was ridiculous. The Quebecois should be commended for the peaceful nature of their struggle. |
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Paddycakes
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What does some working-class bloke from Liverpoo have to do with Quebec?
It would be like playing Arab music to celebrate America's birthday.
Why not have Robert Charlebois do the show (he'd be way more appropriate than this WASP character) to celebrate Quebec's anniversary.
Go home, Paul McCartney. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddycakes wrote: |
What does some working-class bloke from Liverpoo have to do with Quebec?
It would be like playing Arab music to celebrate America's birthday.
Why not have Robert Charlebois do the show (he'd be way more appropriate than this WASP character) to celebrate Quebec's anniversary.
Go home, Paul McCartney. |
That's not quite the same. English Canadians have given billions and billions of dollars to Quebec over the years. The subsidized education many Quebecers enjoy wouldn't be possible if the province didn't receive transfer and English speaking Canadians and Irish and Scottish Canadians contributed a lot to Quebec, so I don't buy that. People who say that have a warp sense of French Quebecois nationalism. |
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blaseblasphemener
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| If Quebec separated, they would soon have to join France and start mooching off them, like they've done to the rest of Canada for the last 50 years. They would have an economy similar to Louisiana, without the oil refineries. What a bunch of whiners. |
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Czarjorge
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| Didn't the citizens of Quebec vote NOT to seperate from Canada a few years ago? Doesn't that pretty much end the controversy? |
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| Didn't the citizens of Quebec vote NOT to seperate from Canada a few years ago? Doesn't that pretty much end the controversy? |
The separatists want another referendum i.e. a third referendum. There was a referendum in 1980, I believe. They lost that, too. At any rate, many French nationalists are not even that extreme. There are some, and these fellows represent the extremists who would like to see English banned everywhere, and they insist that more French songs get played at hockey games. They forget that the NHL without the US wouldn't exist or the rest of Canada, and they would like to ignore that Quebec is part of Canada. |
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Paddycakes
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| The subsidized education many Quebecers enjoy wouldn't be possible if the province didn't receive transfer and English speaking Canadians and Irish and Scottish Canadians contributed a lot to Quebec |
Reminds me of the waygooks in Korea who like to argue that Japanese colonialism in Korea was ultimately good because the Japanese administered many infrastructure projects. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| The subsidized education many Quebecers enjoy wouldn't be possible if the province didn't receive transfer and English speaking Canadians and Irish and Scottish Canadians contributed a lot to Quebec |
Reminds me of the waygooks in Korea who like to argue that Japanese colonialism in Korea was ultimately good because the Japanese administered many infrastructure projects. |
You are missing an important point that English speaking Canadians are not British. They are Euro-Canadians who are a mixture of French, German, English, Irish, Italian, Ukrainian, and Scottish, and they have contributed to the welfare of Quebec as well as to Newfoundland.
That should be appreciated. |
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Paddycakes
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You are missing an important point that English speaking Canadians are not British. They are Euro-Canadians who are a mixture of French, German, English, Irish, Italian, Ukrainian, and Scottish, and they have contributed to the welfare of Quebec as well as to Newfoundland.
That should be appreciated. |
In your earlier post you specifically referred to Scottish Canadians. The Scots were the ones who at one point controlled most of the wealth in Quebec, and who lived in their own exclusive enclaves in Montreal (Westmount) while the francophones lived in the slums in places like St-Henri.
Even today... dammit... the sense of ethnic stratification still exits. In Westmount 54 percent of the inhabitants list English as their mother tongue, while only 24 percent list it as French.
Better than it was 50 years ago, but still...
"Contributed to the welfare of Quebec"... this just smacks of Anglo paternalism... |
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blaseblasphemener
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You are missing an important point that English speaking Canadians are not British. They are Euro-Canadians who are a mixture of French, German, English, Irish, Italian, Ukrainian, and Scottish, and they have contributed to the welfare of Quebec as well as to Newfoundland.
That should be appreciated. |
In your earlier post you specifically referred to Scottish Canadians. The Scots were the ones who at one point controlled most of the wealth in Quebec, and who lived in their own exclusive enclaves in Montreal (Westmount) while the francophones lived in the slums in places like St-Henri.
Even today... dammit... the sense of ethnic stratification still exits. In Westmount 54 percent of the inhabitants list English as their mother tongue, while only 24 percent list it as French.
Better than it was 50 years ago, but still...
"Contributed to the welfare of Quebec"... this just smacks of Anglo paternalism... |
So, ummm, has Quebec thrived since not being paternalistically governed by the dastardly anglos?
oh right, still need those transfer payments. oh, still need Ottawa to supply lucrative private and public contracts and to get a disproportionate share of govt power, to appease the quebecois.
Canadians appreciate the great culture of Quebec, too bad that can't be recipricated by the francophones, who have benefited from the hard-work and industriousness, not to mention the largess, of the rest of Canada. |
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| He did not read the part where I said both Quebec and Newfoundland received payments from the rest of Canada. Newfoundland is an English speaking province. They don't act like they don't get the money. They acknowledge it. I said Ontario and Alberta contribute the welfare of Quebec and Newfoundland. You have heard of Newfoundland, right? |
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Czarjorge
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| Didn't the citizens of Quebec vote NOT to seperate from Canada a few years ago? Doesn't that pretty much end the controversy? |
The separatists want another referendum i.e. a third referendum. There was a referendum in 1980, I believe. They lost that, too. At any rate, many French nationalists are not even that extreme. There are some, and these fellows represent the extremists who would like to see English banned everywhere, and they insist that more French songs get played at hockey games. They forget that the NHL without the US wouldn't exist or the rest of Canada, and they would like to ignore that Quebec is part of Canada. |
There should be a reverse referendum. Have everyone in Canada BUT the citizens of Quebec vote on whether or not to keep Quebec. I'd be interested in the results of that vote. |
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