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mises
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 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: The British sharia 'crime' court |
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The British sharia 'crime' court in a cafe where knifemen walk free
Last updated at 16:32 08 February 2008
Sharia law "courts" are already dealing with crime on the streets of London, it emerged today.
The revelation came after the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, called for an "accommodation" with parts of the Islamic legal code in a speech which attracted widespread condemnation.
The Archbishop said parts of civil law could be dealt with under the sharia system but already some communities have gone much further - and it was revealed today that a teenage stabbing case among the Somali community in Woolwich had been dealt with by a sharia "trial".
Youth worker Aydarus Yusuf, 29, who was involved in setting up the hearing, said a group of Somali youths were arrested by police on suspicion of stabbing another Somali teenager.
The victim's family told officers the matter would be settled out of court and the suspects were released on bail.
A hearing was convened and elders ordered the assailants to compensate the victim.
"All their uncles and their fathers were there," said Mr Yusuf. "So they all put something towards that and apologised for the wrongdoing."
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You stab a guy and walk free with an "I'm sorry" and a few dinars, but only if you are muslim.
Group rights are not the way to stability. Equal rights are. |
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khyber
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You stab a guy and walk free with an "I'm sorry" and a few dinars, but only if you are muslim.
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Muslim perpetrator+Muslim victim+muslim law= Why do you care? If the victim's loved ones feel that justice was meted out, why is it YOUR business? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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You stab a guy and walk free with an "I'm sorry" and a few dinars, but only if you are muslim.
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Muslim perpetrator+Muslim victim+muslim law= Why do you care? If the victim's loved ones feel that justice was meted out, why is it YOUR business? |
I'm curious about what the law would normally say about such cases. Let's say Joe and I get into an argument which ends with him stabbing me. But I'm too busy to go through the hassle of pressing charges, and anyway I'd rather see if I can make a few bucks off of the whole thing. So I agree not to charge Joe, as long as he agrees in turn to let my Uncle Louis arbitrate a settlement. So, we go see Uncle Louis, and he says Joe has to pay me a hundred bucks. Joe forks over the cash, and we part company.
Have any laws been broken here? |
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mises
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Ah, because it is an example of how third world backwards muslim states are being created within Western states.
Secondly, had they been put in the actual formal criminal justice system, the punishment would assuredly been more strict. This is unfair preferences for muslims and altogether discriminatory to the infidels in the UK.
In addition to that, group rights and/or group law is a very dangerous path to head down. Do you need historical references of that?
The state should treat all as individuals without reference to whatever backwards and foreign social construction you have unfortunately been brainwashed into believing. The pattern that is being established in nearly every single Westerns state, less the USA, is that there will be one law for infidels and another for muslims. We see this in Canada, where blasphemy against mo' will be illegal and the press is anyways freaked out by the HRC's and not touching islam with a 10 foot pole. Every Western country with a sizable muslim population is becoming structurally discriminatory against the infidels and less free.
Separate courts for a stabbing, provided you are muslim, that have weak-as-hell sentences are a merely part of a larger movement.
Catch up. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Separate courts for a stabbing, provided you are muslim, that have weak-as-hell sentences are a merely part of a larger movement.
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Yes, but again, are Muslims the only people legally entitled to settle this sort of thing out of court? |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Separate courts for a stabbing, provided you are muslim, that have weak-as-hell sentences are a merely part of a larger movement.
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Yes, but again, are Muslims the only people legally entitled to settle this sort of thing out of court? |
You mean, is there a separate court for white christian men where they can throw state law into the toilet and apply Jedi law?
I suppose you are referencing the fact that some European states allow Jews to mediate divorce via religious councils. That sure shouldn't be allowed either, but it many degrees less dangerous than sharia law and stabbings. |
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On the other hand
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You mean, is there a separate court for white christian men where they can throw state law into the toilet and apply Jedi law?
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Actually, I was thinking more of a situation like the one I described above...
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Let's say Joe and I get into an argument which ends with him stabbing me. But I'm too busy to go through the hassle of pressing charges, and anyway I'd rather see if I can make a few bucks off of the whole thing. So I agree not to charge Joe, as long as he agrees in turn to let my Uncle Louis arbitrate a settlement. So, we go see Uncle Louis, and he says Joe has to pay me a hundred bucks. Joe forks over the cash, and we part company.
Have any laws been broken here? |
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mises
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You're asking if the police would press charges if the victim didn't want them pressed. With a very serious crime, as stabbing, the police would press charges regardless of it you wanted to. If it was an assault w/o bodily harm they might not. They will absolutely charge in the cases of bodily harm and violence against women by men.
The man who stabbed the other guy needs a criminal record and if he is not a citizen, he needs to be deported. We have mechanisms in society to help keep us safe (ie: criminal records, tossing out foreign criminals).
Anyways, the more the UK lets this spread the more difficult it will be to pull it back. |
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On the other hand
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They will absolutely charge in the cases of bodily harm and violence against women by men.
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Well, I do recall reading an article a few years back about how some jurisdictions had this policy where if a woman phones the cops to complain about being beaten by her husband, the cops were required to press charges automatically once they concluded that the violence had taken place. But it seemed to me that the reason this was considered newsworthy, ie. the reason someone bothered writing an article about it, was that it was a bit of a departure from the usual practice in most places.
But I'm not a lawyer, and I imagine that the law varies from place to place. |
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khyber
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There are Native courts in Canada.
Do you have a problem with those courts too? |
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mises
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There are Native courts in Canada.
Do you have a problem with those courts too? |
Beautiful!
Here we see how easily the naive left is manipulated. muslims have aggressively agitated for the status of Permanently Oppressed in Western nations.
This has worked so well that a comparison between a colonized people (Native Canadians) in their land (Canada) is made with a colonizing people (muslim immigrants) in the land they are colonizing (UK). Brilliant!
muslims in the UK deserve the same status as Natives in Canada. You've bought the propaganda full-on.
Anyways, the answer is yes. I do have a problem with those courts. There is a place for arbitration but criminal law (especially in relation to fugging stabbings(!) is for the state. The state must treat people as individuals and not members of a group. |
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bigverne
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You stab a guy and walk free with an "I'm sorry" and a few dinars, but only if you are muslim.
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Muslim perpetrator+Muslim victim+muslim law= Why do you care? If the victim's loved ones feel that justice was meted out, why is it YOUR business? |
Because the UK is not a Muslim country, and everyone should be subject to the same law. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: The British sharia 'crime' court |
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| mises wrote: |
You stab a guy and walk free with an "I'm sorry" and a few dinars. |
Thats not Sharia law, thats Korean law. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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They will absolutely charge in the cases of bodily harm and violence against women by men.
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Well, I do recall reading an article a few years back about how some jurisdictions had this policy where if a woman phones the cops to complain about being beaten by her husband, the cops were required to press charges automatically once they concluded that the violence had taken place. But it seemed to me that the reason this was considered newsworthy, ie. the reason someone bothered writing an article about it, was that it was a bit of a departure from the usual practice in most places.
But I'm not a lawyer, and I imagine that the law varies from place to place. |
I'm not positive about this, but its at the discretion of the District Attorney whether to press charges. If the victim does not move it forward, and the DA does not (or one of his people does not), then charges will not be forthcoming unless the law makes it mandatory.
So your sketch in which someone drops the charges and takes a financial settlement outside of civil court is very possible in the West. Seems to me the DA would only intervene in rare occasions, and the decision would be political. |
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dirty_scraps83
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The system of compensation may be quite alrite between agreeing individuals. The problem is although one guy's a hundred bucks richer and willing to settle with that....
...there's still a freakin' nut who thinks it's OK to stab someone over an argument walking the streets. |
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