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Chamchiman
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 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Comparing Vacation Policy in EPIK |
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A lot has been said about EPIK Gangwondo's hefty vacation allowance. What, if anything are other provinces doing to keep up their supply of public school teachers when Gangwondo's offer is so much more attractive?
One school of thought is that Gangwondo is the sticks, and not many people would consider going there in the first place. But plenty of places in Gyeongsangbukdo and Chungcheongnamdo are stickish as well. If you're already committed to living in a small town, why would you sign a contract with 14 days of vacation over one with 35?
(Is this where the TALK program comes in? Gangwondo doesn't have a lack of teachers when compared with other provinces; why would a province such as Gyeongsangbukdo buy into a whole new program like TALK, when they could increase their province's relative attractiveness by simply increasing their vacation time?) |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Comparing Vacation Policy in EPIK |
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| Chamchiman wrote: |
| What, if anything are other provinces doing to keep up their supply of public school teachers when Gangwondo's offer is so much more attractive? |
They are cutting out the informal non-contractual extra vacation days so everyone only gets the 14 days in the contract.
Yup. |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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It appears the city and provincial offices of education work to their own rules and take no notice of what Gangwon is offering. After all, they do not work in a business system or creative thinking way.
Why should they ?- the officers in charge are on safe government salaries to just 'do a job'.
Even when their own public school contracts are bad they seemingly take no notice of how the opposition provinces are trying to get teachers. Why else would Ulsan City continue to advertise only 1.8 million minimum for a bachelors diploma to hire teachers for their city and then try to allocate the more rural jobs to the new Talk teachers 'hopefully' coming in. They then advertise through recruiters they will find nicer houses as they have a bigger housing rent of 500 000 they can pay ! Wierd thinking !
Surely teachers would want the extra 200 000 in salary (and get 2 million like the neigboring Kyungsangnam offers ) not house rent they dont see? |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Comparing Vacation Policy in EPIK |
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| Draz wrote: |
| Chamchiman wrote: |
| What, if anything are other provinces doing to keep up their supply of public school teachers when Gangwondo's offer is so much more attractive? |
They are cutting out the informal non-contractual extra vacation days so everyone only gets the 14 days in the contract.
Yup. |
Yes. They decided that the best foreign teachers are university frat boys who will work for 1.6 and beer, so they are trying to scare away anything remotely professional and qualified. |
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Chamchiman
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| They are cutting out the informal non-contractual extra vacation days so everyone only gets the 14 days in the contract. |
In Gangwondo?
| blonde researcher wrote: |
| It appears the city and provincial offices of education work to their own rules and take no notice of what Gangwon is offering. After all, they do not work in a business system or creative thinking way. Why should they ?- the officers in charge are on safe government salaries to just 'do a job'. |
Yeah, but when NO qualified teachers show up in their system, wouldn't someone notice? I know I'm thinking about this too logically, but why would the people at the POE think ANYONE would go to Gyeongsangbukdo (TALK teachers excepted)? Fourteen days vacation is crap.
Man, they must be really, REALLY banking on this TALK program working out. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Chamchiman wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
| They are cutting out the informal non-contractual extra vacation days so everyone only gets the 14 days in the contract. |
In Gangwondo?
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No, in the other provinces. Well. Maybe just mine. And my friend's provinces. I don't know anyone in Chungbuk or Jeju, maybe those places are different! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Chamchiman wrote: |
[ I know I'm thinking about this too logically, but why would the people at the POE think ANYONE would go to Gyeongsangbukdo (TALK teachers excepted)? Fourteen days vacation is crap.
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First off it's 14 WORKING days.
Secondly that is more vacation time off then even CANADA (with the exception of Sas.) has to give. And that's only AFTER working 12 months.
Yes, yes, teachers back home get more vacation time, but very few of us were teachers back home (by those standards) and we are not back home. And if it comes to that we are not teachers here either by Korea's standards...how many people here have got their education certificate from Korea?
Not flaming people who work here, just pointing out that 14 working days is not crap compared with MOST jobs elsewhere even in the Western world. BTW here's the link to vacation time in Canada.
http://www.canadaone.com/ezine/july07/inoutvacation.html |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I've just re-signed with EPIK and had my school change the 14-days vacation + 14-days home leave contract renewal clause to 28-days vacation as I had on my previous contract. My CT asked why and I told him that I'd only qualify for 28-days vacation provided I re-sign next year, something I'm not planning on doing. I also squeezed the 100,000 multiple school bonus out of them, although they were reluctant to pay it. I'm now on 2.4 + the usual perks. |
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Chamchiman
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| First off it's 14 WORKING days. |
Yep. I was aware of that.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Secondly that is more vacation time off then even CANADA (with the exception of Sas.) has to give. And that's only AFTER working 12 months.
Yes, yes, teachers back home get more vacation time, but very few of us were teachers back home (by those standards) and we are not back home. And if it comes to that we are not teachers here either by Korea's standards...how many people here have got their education certificate from Korea?
Not flaming people who work here, just pointing out that 14 working days is not crap compared with MOST jobs elsewhere even in the Western world. |
I understand where you're coming from, but you had to know I was comparing 14 working days vacation to what Gangwondo gives or what SMOE gives or what I get at my public school job.
I still think it's crap. A week off to get away from the kids, maybe enough to skip town and lie on a beach for five days, and then back home to enjoy the following Monday and Tuesday off before heading back to work to teach three weeks of camp? If people want to sign up for that kind of vacation, that's their choice; I was just saying that it doesn't look very attractive when your buddy you used to work with is in Wonju and he's off for two or three weeks. Also, I still can't understand where these POE guys are coming from - do they think experienced teachers are scrapping each other to get a job in the sticks that only gives seven working days per vacation period? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Chamchiman wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| First off it's 14 WORKING days. |
Yep. I was aware of that.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Secondly that is more vacation time off then even CANADA (with the exception of Sas.) has to give. And that's only AFTER working 12 months.
Yes, yes, teachers back home get more vacation time, but very few of us were teachers back home (by those standards) and we are not back home. And if it comes to that we are not teachers here either by Korea's standards...how many people here have got their education certificate from Korea?
Not flaming people who work here, just pointing out that 14 working days is not crap compared with MOST jobs elsewhere even in the Western world. |
I understand where you're coming from, but you had to know I was comparing 14 working days vacation to what Gangwondo gives or what SMOE gives or what I get at my public school job.
I still think it's crap. A week off to get away from the kids, maybe enough to skip town and lie on a beach for five days, and then back home to enjoy the following Monday and Tuesday off before heading back to work to teach three weeks of camp? If people want to sign up for that kind of vacation, that's their choice; I was just saying that it doesn't look very attractive when your buddy you used to work with is in Wonju and he's off for two or three weeks. Also, I still can't understand where these POE guys are coming from - do they think experienced teachers are scrapping each other to get a job in the sticks that only gives seven working days per vacation period? |
Depends on your school. And if you are in the sticks you should get an extra 5 days of vacation along with the raise for working in a rural area (that's 19 working days). And if you have a good relationship with your school you can get extra days...I've only got two weeks of camp for example.
But yeah I do see where you are coming from and I agree that the POE guys may seem clueless...although they are probably hoping that the TALK program will work out, so they don't have to pay experienced teachers what they are worth.
You've got to think about it from THEIR point of view, would you pay 2.5 or 1.6 million if you believed either person could do the job so long as they were a native speaker? Some POES just have to learn the hard way, I guess... |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: Comparing Vacation Policy in EPIK |
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| Draz wrote: |
| Chamchiman wrote: |
| What, if anything are other provinces doing to keep up their supply of public school teachers when Gangwondo's offer is so much more attractive? |
They are cutting out the informal non-contractual extra vacation days so everyone only gets the 14 days in the contract.
Yup. |
I got 35 days vacation in my contract. This means I get 2 weeks in the Summer and 3 weeks in the Winter. There's no loss in them giving me this much either as student Summer vacation is 1 month and Winter vacation is 2 months which allows plenty of time for me to do both camps and vacation time off during the students vacations. |
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I'm Seoul Lost
Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Location: In the mountains of Gyeonggi
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: Re: Comparing Vacation Policy in EPIK |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| I got 35 days vacation in my contract. This means I get 2 weeks in the Summer and 3 weeks in the Winter. There's no loss in them giving me this much either as student Summer vacation is 1 month and Winter vacation is 2 months which allows plenty of time for me to do both camps and vacation time off during the students vacations. |
Do they no longer teach math in university? I always thought 35 days of vacation time is 7 weeks. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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In Chungnam-do, especially my city the contract states 14 days but because we're out in the sticks we get three months in total. We're not forced to do extra if we don't want to. Easy.
Before looking at an area, check with teachers in that area and see what vacation is given especially if it's more than the contracted amount. Gangwon-do may say 35 days and will stick to that. I think throughout Chungnam it's pretty standard to have this lax interpretation of the vacation allowance.
The only thing that differs with schools in my city is if a teacher is expected to go in during exams and seat warm. Apart from that we all get that 3 months off.
Like BS.Dos mentioned in a previous thread, when you're onto a good PS thing then why bother changing for the unknown. Easy life! |
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Draz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| In Chungnam-do, especially my city the contract states 14 days but because we're out in the sticks we get three months in total. We're not forced to do extra if we don't want to. Easy. |
In MY city in Chungnam (and the neighboring city) we are all taking it up the butt on vacation time. FYI. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, yes, teachers back home get more vacation time, but very few of us were teachers back home (by those standards) and we are not back home. And if it comes to that we are not teachers here either by Korea's standards...how many people here have got their education certificate from Korea? |
For what it's worth, though teachers in Korea are not trained teachers in Canada, it's important to compare the job being done.
After having taught for 1/2 a year in Canada, I am FULLY aware of how important that summer vacation is. Simply put, teaching is a hard job. Teaching in Korea can be a hard job too and it's unreasonable to think that two weeks (1 week at a time) is enough to decompress after working as a manager of 30 subordinates who have very little self control and have issues with maintaining their focus on work.
Regardless of what someone's training or previous job would be in Canada, the fact is that they ARE TEACHING in Korea and teaching is a difficult job that requires a LOT from a person. Just because waygookers aren't teachers in Canada doesn't mean that they don't need/deserve a vacation in Korea. |
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