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browneyedgirl
Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Spanish teachers to work in the Philippines |
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| Thats more down to American racism and stereotype rather than the quality of Spanish an educated Mexican speaks. |
True, but most Americans don't have contact with upper-class Mexicans.
In one of my Latin American economic classes, the Mexican exchange students (who were very well off) were extremely cruel to the students from northern Mexico (who were from poorer families that immigrated to America illegally and spoke a different dialect of Spanish). The racism they showed to each other was horrible--and unexpected.
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Spanish teachers to work in the Philippines |
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| browneyedgirl wrote: |
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| Thats more down to American racism and stereotype rather than the quality of Spanish an educated Mexican speaks. |
True, |
the key thing here is not only American racism and stereotype, rather it is American IGNORANCE which is almost boundless (of almost everything "non American)
that's why Americans really have no business talking about Korean ignorance of things non Korean, much less anything about some other country's "culture", when the American definition of "culture" is its ABSENCE, or rather "pop culture".
people like Vicente Fox and Jorge Castaneda, speak BEAUTIFUL Spanish. Crystal clear and correct in pronounciation, diction, etc. As I said, the educated classes in DF speak Spanish that is probably second only to Bogota's. |
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browneyedgirl
Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Spanish teachers to work in the Philippines |
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| bogey666 wrote: |
that's why Americans really have no business talking about Korean ignorance of things non Korean. |
So, no one from from the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc. has ever said anything bad about Korea? Very interesting. |
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dimitri31
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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If someone is uneducated, then they're going to speak what they know, which is less than someone who is educated. That crosses all lines, even in the states with hillbilly/redneck English, black ghetto English, or even broken down Spanglish.
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| In one of my Latin American economic classes, the Mexican exchange students (who were very well off) were extremely cruel to the students from northern Mexico (who were from poorer families that immigrated to America illegally and spoke a different dialect of Spanish). The racism they showed to each other was horrible--and unexpected. |
That's not racism. That's what I call the Latin American-snobbery syndrome, where one thinks, "I'm better than you cuz, I come from a well-off family and you don't." Hence, the term, "naco" para Uds. que hablan espanol.
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Toon Army
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| dimitri31 wrote: |
If someone is uneducated, then they're going to speak what they know, which is less than someone who is educated. That crosses all lines, even in the states with hillbilly/redneck English, black ghetto English, or even broken down Spanglish.
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| In one of my Latin American economic classes, the Mexican exchange students (who were very well off) were extremely cruel to the students from northern Mexico (who were from poorer families that immigrated to America illegally and spoke a different dialect of Spanish). The racism they showed to each other was horrible--and unexpected. |
That's not racism. That's what I call the Latin American-snobbery syndrome, where one thinks, "I'm better than you cuz, I come from a well-off family and you don't." Hence, the term, "naco" para Uds. que hablan el espanol. |
reminds me of a recent Chris Rock stand up i saw on youtube. Who`s more racist? Black people or white people? ........black people because they hate black people too
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFBy7y3G04 
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| What's the Spanish word for barfine? |
hopefully the Spanish teachers won't teach the Pinoys to lisp on their "c's"
it's the one thing about Iberian Spanish that drives me nuts.
way too faggoty for my taste. almost exaggerated.
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I don`t think all Spaniards speak that way? Depends on the region they`re from. I heard the people from Madrid and Sevilla mainly speak with the lisp in particular |
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dimitri31
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: |
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reminds me of a recent Chris Rock stand up i saw on youtube. Who`s more racist? Black people or white people? ........black people because they hate black people too
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFBy7y3G04 |
that sh*t was funny...so true about some of the things people back home be joking about |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| That's not racism. That's what I call the Latin American-snobbery syndrome, where one thinks, "I'm better than you cuz, I come from a well-off family and you don't." Hence, the term, "naco" para Uds. que hablan espanol. |
SO TRUE!
in Brazil too, with the patricinhas and mauricinhos running around.
in Venezuela, we called them sifrinos
naco must be a mexican term. I'm not familiar with it, though have heard about it somewhere.. just can't place it.
in Cuba, the girls will call you Paco if you're a handsome guy --
paco -- "para comer" 
god I love cubanas. |
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dimitri31
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: |
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in Cuba, the girls will call you Paco if you're a handsome guy --
paco -- "para comer" |
pa' comer, hein?! gostei!!! |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Spanish teachers to work in the Philippines |
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| So the idea seems to be that Arroyo is going to invite Spanish teachers from Spain, would it be a better idea for the teachers to come from Mexico? A country that shaped the Pinoy culture and language more than Spain ever did? |
Very interesting thread.
I'd say ANY country in Latin America. Mexico or Peru or Argentina. BUT, personally, I'd say NOT SPAIN.
I lived in Spain and South America. The Spanish in Latin America is MUCH EASIER and SLOWER (generally). PLUS, the United States is essentially becoming incredibly Spanish-oriented very fast. So that is ALMOST ALL of the Americas with LATIN AMERICAN SPANISH.
I also think the love of dancing in Latin America is much more inline with the Philippines who are equally obsessed. Music as well.
(While Spain did give us guitar and flamenco, it seems to be more historical than really alive and oozing music to the same degree its previous colonies do today).
Personally, I think the Philippines SHOULD get ALL of their teachers from Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador and Andean-Colombia. They speak a very pure and slow and easily-understood Spanish with fewer reginonal slangs and pronounce all the syllables. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Spanish teachers to work in the Philippines |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| So the idea seems to be that Arroyo is going to invite Spanish teachers from Spain, would it be a better idea for the teachers to come from Mexico? A country that shaped the Pinoy culture and language more than Spain ever did? |
Very interesting thread.
I'd say ANY country in Latin America. Mexico or Peru or Argentina. BUT, personally, I'd say NOT SPAIN.
I lived in Spain and South America. The Spanish in Latin America is MUCH EASIER and SLOWER (generally). PLUS, the United States is essentially becoming incredibly Spanish-oriented very fast. So that is ALMOST ALL of the Americas with LATIN AMERICAN SPANISH.
I also think the love of dancing in Latin America is much more inline with the Philippines who are equally obsessed. Music as well.
(While Spain did give us guitar and flamenco, it seems to be more historical than really alive and oozing music to the same degree its previous colonies do today). |
I think Arroyo can see a gap in the market for a fluent Spanish speaking business/workforce in South Asia seeing as Latin America is starting to get more prosperous through trading with China.
It looks like the Spanish goverment will be footing the bill and will be sending out their graduates though, where this might work in relation to English education in Korea is that Tagalog has a lot of Spanish loan words
making learning Spanish easier for the average Filipino than English for the average Korean - as you pointed out also, the Pinoy culture is compatible with the cultures of the South American pacific coast with countries such as Mexico, Peru and Colombia - Its a win/win situation for thr Philippines and the Spanish speaking world in my opinion.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7E-M4ML5SLg
Very interesting news report from TVE (the Spanish national channel) about Chavanco which has half a million speakers - and all Chavanco is, is an old fashioned version of Spanish. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Spanish teachers to work in the Philippines |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7E-M4ML5SLg
Very interesting news report from TVE (the Spanish national channel) about Chavanco which has half a million speakers - and all Chavanco is, is an old fashioned version of Spanish. |
Ah, its a clip from 2004.
Also, looks like its specific to ZAMBOANGA ONLY. Not to the entire Philippines.
Zamboanga is in Mindanao and has a regional language that is the MOST similar to Spanish than any of the other 100s and 100s of other langues in the Philippines. Looks like Zamboanga might be interested in preserving that status. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:17 am Post subject: Re: Spanish teachers to work in the Philippines |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7E-M4ML5SLg
Very interesting news report from TVE (the Spanish national channel) about Chavanco which has half a million speakers - and all Chavanco is, is an old fashioned version of Spanish. |
Ah, its a clip from 2004.
Also, looks like its specific to ZAMBOANGA ONLY. Not to the entire Philippines.
Zamboanga is in Mindanao and has a regional language that is the MOST similar to Spanish than any of the other 100s and 100s of other langues in the Philippines. Looks like Zamboanga might be interested in preserving that status. |
I think it is going to be nationwide I think. Here is an official goverment news release about the subject.
http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&fi=p071207.htm&no=66 |
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