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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Wow. US govt official writes scathing criticism of protests |
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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200807/200807210013.html
Good god, this man is saying everything that needs to be said. There's some new info in here too:
1. The protests may have cost Korea $6 billion dollars
2. Australian beef is, statistically, no safer or more dangerous than US beef
3. The FTA deals are stalled in congress now
My favorite quote:
"Perhaps it is because there is no crisis with North Korea, no major dispute with Japan, and no major bout of anti-Americanism that Koreans can afford the current political chaos. But the costs are real."
I remember someone in another thread, writing about Dokdo, said that, the greatest way that japan could screw with Korea would be to simply give them Dokdo AND apologize. Because then, maybe, just maybe, Korea would have to deal with it's own BS.
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I feel like an idiot now. THIS is why the Korean media is so biased against him...he wants to privatize media outlets! |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Lemmings brother...we live amongst lemmings...off the cliff they go...one at a time or a hundred at a time...but off they go! |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008 Location: Down by the river
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I'm a free trade lefty, which is sort of oxymornic these days. Cha seems like a sensible guy. I'd like the FTA to go through just so I could order more stuff from Amazon.com. Some categories of stuff gets blocked. |
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doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: |
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jdog2050 wrote: |
I remember someone in another thread, writing about Dokdo, said that, the greatest way that japan could screw with Korea would be to simply give them Dokdo AND apologize. Because then, maybe, just maybe, Korea would have to deal with it's own BS. |
I think this statement is too much of a hyperbole that it doesn't even have merit. The politicians will lose one "card" as they call it. And you think those Koreans who are way too cynical & critical especially online don't even see this simple mechanism? (don't even bring up "one of my coworkers said..." stories, please. I normally base my opinions on whole lot more number of people than that. ex. after reading through loads of Korean internet news, blogs and forums) Then, maybe, just maybe Korea would have to deal with its own BS? Sorry, I have to say this is the BS. Even the beef protests (and related protests against 2MB's policies) were mainly about domestic affairs and maybe you even know that. What do you think is on Korean news everyday? I understand that inevitably there must be some expat bubbles around but why not try getting in touch with the reality?  |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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As soon as the larger shipments of US beef arrive in August, everyone will see just how out of touch the Korean leftists are with the reality of average Koreans.
We'll have a hard time getting our hands on any US beef because the Koreans will be buying it like madmen.  |
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laconic2

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Wonderful World of ESL
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Why do you think he is a U.S. Government official?
He works at Georgetown University. Georgetown University is safely in the hands of the Jesuits the last time I looked. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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doggyji wrote: |
jdog2050 wrote: |
I remember someone in another thread, writing about Dokdo, said that, the greatest way that japan could screw with Korea would be to simply give them Dokdo AND apologize. Because then, maybe, just maybe, Korea would have to deal with it's own BS. |
I think this statement is too much of a hyperbole that it doesn't even have merit. The politicians will lose one "card" as they call it. And you think those Koreans who are way too cynical & critical especially online don't even see this simple mechanism? (don't even bring up "one of my coworkers said..." stories, please. I normally base my opinions on whole lot more number of people than that. ex. after reading through loads of Korean internet news, blogs and forums) Then, maybe, just maybe Korea would have to deal with its own BS? Sorry, I have to say this is the BS. Even the beef protests (and related protests against 2MB's policies) were mainly about domestic affairs and maybe you even know that. What do you think is on Korean news everyday? I understand that inevitably there must be some expat bubbles around but why not try getting in touch with the reality?  |
I disagree Doggyji. If Korea were to "win" dokdo and to "win" an apology from Japan, it would basically be a huge psychological victory for Koreans, the first one since Yi Sun Shin, really, against Japan. Korea loves to wallow in it's self-pity, so it would be very interesting to see if it could shed a little bit of that, or if it would just move on to the next victimizing issue. I'd bet on the latter. Old habits die hard. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Please change the title of your thread. He is not a gov't official. Here is his title:
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Victor Cha is Director of Asian Studies at Georgetown University and former director of Asian Affairs for the U.S. National Security Council. |
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006 Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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The Dokdo thing was purely hypothetical- never really happen sort of thing. It's just a reminder that Korea- like all countries- is in need of self reflection. That includes you Canada!
Anyway, as for the protests costing $6 billion, killing the FTA, scaring away international investors and causing serious damage to the future of the Korean economy- that's exactly what the lefty protestors want.
They WANT to put the Korean economy in the toilet because that's the best way they know how to destroy Lee Myung Bak and the GNP party.
Lee was elected in a landslide and the GNP was put in power because the Roh government fumbled and fouled the whole situation up.
Come election time, the number one issue was turning the economy around. The people felt like Lee "The Bulldozer" was the best one for the job.
So there we have the lefties out of the Blue House and resoundly defeated in the National Assembly. They knew that if Lee were to really turn the economy around and experience success, their party was truly over. They had to get back at him.
Sadly, most people are lemmings and believe ridiculous hysteria. They all too readily joined in with the lefties to help destroy LMB. They had no idea that this whole movement had nothing to do with public health/safety nor helping the average Korean person.
Now that the truth is starting to come out that they were lied to and manipulated by the lefties and media, the general public was starting to open their eyes to the reality, then BAM- Dokdo flares up again!
It was a nice little side step that has totally distracted the public again. Politics, in all countries, is all smoke & mirrors and snake oil salesmen.
Sadly, the public falls for it every time! |
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monkinwonderland

Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Benicio wrote: |
The Dokdo thing was purely hypothetical- never really happen sort of thing. It's just a reminder that Korea- like all countries- is in need of self reflection. That includes you Canada!
Anyway, as for the protests costing $6 billion, killing the FTA, scaring away international investors and causing serious damage to the future of the Korean economy- that's exactly what the lefty protestors want.
They WANT to put the Korean economy in the toilet because that's the best way they know how to destroy Lee Myung Bak and the GNP party.
Lee was elected in a landslide and the GNP was put in power because the Roh government fumbled and fouled the whole situation up.
Come election time, the number one issue was turning the economy around. The people felt like Lee "The Bulldozer" was the best one for the job.
So there we have the lefties out of the Blue House and resoundly defeated in the National Assembly. They knew that if Lee were to really turn the economy around and experience success, their party was truly over. They had to get back at him.
Sadly, Korean people are lemmings and believe ridiculous hysteria. They all too readily joined in with the lefties to help destroy LMB. They had no idea that this whole movement had nothing to do with public health/safety nor helping the average Korean person.
Now that the truth is starting to come out that they were lied to and manipulated by the lefties and media, the general public was starting to open their eyes to the reality, then BAM- Dokdo flares up again!
It was a nice little side step that has totally distracted the public again. Politics, in all countries, is all smoke & mirrors and snake oil salesmen.
Sadly, the public falls for it every time! |
I couldn't agree more. |
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doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: |
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blaseblasphemener wrote: |
I disagree Doggyji. If Korea were to "win" dokdo and to "win" an apology from Japan, it would basically be a huge psychological victory for Koreans, the first one since Yi Sun Shin, really, against Japan. Korea loves to wallow in it's self-pity, so it would be very interesting to see if it could shed a little bit of that, or if it would just move on to the next victimizing issue. I'd bet on the latter. Old habits die hard. |
They sure will remain skeptical and suspicious of Japan's hidden agenda even if Japan does that. If time goes by and nothing "provocative" happens in the following, it will certainly be helpful though. However, I didn't say anything much about this speculation. My understanding of the jdog2050's statement is that Korea goes through too much distractions that they have no time to deal with important internal problems. That is the point I disagreed with. |
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angel of bob

Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Not to be a contrarian, or anything, but the Chosun Ilbo has been consistently been critical (simultaneously) of 2MB and protestors. People are entitled to believe whatever they want, but I don't think that the Chosun Ilbo is particularly representative of well-balanced rigorous journalism, or unbiased coverage, say anymore than Fox News or Inside Edition in America.
From an unsigned editorial 6/27/08 about the protests:
This is anarchy. Thugs are on the rampage; policemen are beaten; reporters are assaulted; newspapers are terrorized; and good-natured citizens are afraid to go out. What does this tell us other than that the government has in effect ceased to exist?
Um, yeah. When I read, I was like, wtf, is this a real newspaper staffed by professional writers or something written by high schoolers...?
If you look at an archive of their articles and editorials, it's pretty obvious that they're publishing slews of material reinforcing one side of the argument and that they're not above fear-mongering and sensationalism either. |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Just makes me think North Korea is starting a information war here to turn the people against the current government. Too many lemmings here. |
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