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Bears fans are going to be happy, but Farve and the Packers couldn�t even beat them this past season. Farve has some impressive records in his career, but his team does not. After all, isn't it about the TEAM winning and not one member�s records? Personally, I think it�s about time Farve retired- - maybe now the team can rebuild.


Jason Cole and Charles Robinson discuss the today�s announcement of the retirement of Brett Farve


1. WAS THE TIMING OF HIS DECISION RIGHT?



Cole: I give Brett Favre a lot of credit this year for not drawing out this process, the way he had in recent years. If you�re going to walk, just walk and do your best by the team. I agree with Robinson that there are always regrets, but if you do�t have the passion, walk. This was the right decision from that standpoint. The Green Bay Packers now have time to cut the cord and move on. I�m a little disturbed by the implication that Green Bay�s failure to pursue wide receiver Randy Moss led Favre to this decision. If that�s the case, the timing is wrong and is an example of Favre being petulant. But I will give Favre the benefit of the doubt and believe he was leaning toward retirement anyway, not trying to lean on the Packers.




Robinson: Sure, he didn�t drag it out, but that doesn�t mean this was the right decision. You know how it is with athletes and regrets, Jason. I think this is going to be a classic case of a guy looking back five years from now and wishing he had gone one more year. What I don�t understand is this: Green Bay has found a franchise running back, established an excellent set of young wideouts, and developed some nice young talent on the offensive line. All of those components will only be better next season. And the front office can spend the offseason and the draft improving the depth and talent on defense. So why leave now, when the Super Bowl is so clearly within reach? The timing is fine, but I think the ultimate decision is one he�ll regret.

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[JMO]

He went out as the best QB in the NFC north and could still start for at least 50% of the teams in the league. That says alot about how good a player he was.

The Pack have had a fantastic record since Favre had played there. He helped the team and was a great individual player as well.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Out lasted Troy Aikman.

[JMO]

Just looked at the pack record for the last 16 years since he has been on the team. In the regular season they have went 166-82, with their worst season being 8-8. That is amazing. Favre obviously had a big part to play in this.

Even if he had not won a ring, that record speaks for itself. he is the common denominator on all those teams.

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[Milwaukiedave]

It's kind of sad he couldn't go out on top this year. At least they made it all the way to the NFC Championship game. He's getting up there in age, so retiring is probably the best decision healthwise.

Green Bay is going to miss him next year.

[wannago]

I'm not anywhere near to being a Packers fan, but I have a lot of respect for this guy. But, when the body says quit, its time to quit. He really has nothing more to prove (he has a ring, MVP, etc.) although a competitor like that will miss the game for all the right reasons.

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[JMO]

I made a mistake. they actually went 170-94 with one losing season thrown in there. (decent? go and see how many teams can beat that record over the last 16 years then come back to me)

In his 16 years they went to the playoffs 11 times(!) and went to 2 superbowls, winning one. I can agree with judging a QB partly by his teams record especially when he has been around for so long.

Judging a QB by how many superbowls his team has won is ridiculous. Getting to the playoffs consistently is what good teams do and every now and again they win a bowl if they are lucky(and luck does have a lot do with it).

Dan Marino is one of the top(the top imo) QBs of all time and he does not have a ring. Manning could end up with only one and he would be right up there also. Great QBs do help their teams win consitently year in, year out but winning a superbowl is a very hard thing to do and alot of things have to go your way.

If superbowls mean so much, then Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino....think about it.


The Pack won a superbowl and had 15 winning seasons whilst Brett played for them. That qualifies as 'great years'. I'm not a fan of Favre and I don;t think he is one of the top 5 of all time, but your attempts to undermine his achievments are patently ridiculous.

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[stevemcgarrett]

Might move this to OFF-TOPIC, regicide, just like most of your threads. Come to think of it, those are more OFF-OFF-TOPIC.

Favre was always first and foremost a TEAM player. Only a Bears fan would miss that. Jim McMahon he is not. And he always credits his receivers and blockers.

Favre played for the sheer love of the game, like a kid in a pick-me-up game on a Sunday afternoon in the neighborhood.

He's shown more stamina (played even with the flu) than anyone, including Cal Ripken, Jr.

Green Bay loved him and it was reciprocated from the Biloxi Boy. His No. 4 is already set for retirement and while he didn't win two big games like Bart Starr, he has a bigger legacy.

You also underrate his teammates. Does Reggie White mean anything?

I'm sorry to see him go but go he must. He wants to go out on top--or near the top, which is why he refused to consider quitting after the abysmal 2005 season.

Wish more quarterbacks were one-team players in the NFL, although Tarkenton (another great) made his mark with the Vikings much more than the Giants.

[Milwaukiedave]

Is Farve really going to stay retired? It sounds like he's having second thoughts.

Favre or no Favre, McCarthy committed to Rodgers

By CHRIS JENKINS, AP Sports Writer Sat Jul 26, 9:51 PM ET

GREEN BAY, Wis. - Even Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy isn't quite sure how the Brett Favre unretirement saga will play out over the next few days. But he does know this much: Favre or no Favre, Aaron Rodgers is his starting quarterback.

In his season-opening news conference at Lambeau Field on Saturday, McCarthy strongly affirmed the team's commitment to Rodgers and reiterated that players and coaches spent the offseason planning to move forward after Favre retired in March.

"Aaron Rodgers is the starting quarterback for the Green Bay Packers," McCarthy said. "That's been stated over and over again. I hope we can finally understand that. That's where we are as an organization and as a head coach of the Green Bay Packers. I don't know how else to answer that question."

Packers players are scheduled to report to training camp Sunday and will have their first practice Monday morning. McCarthy acknowledged the possibility that Favre could be there.

"Has he thought about it? I'm sure he has," McCarthy said. "Has he confirmed anything? Nothing has been confirmed."

Favre retired in March, but asked to be released from his contract earlier this month after his latest round of flip-flopping on his football future was met with lukewarm enthusiasm from McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson.

The Packers have no plans to release Favre, whose rights belong to them until his contract expires after the 2010 season. That would leave Favre free to sign with any team, including division rival Minnesota.

Favre could always just stay retired, but his next move might be to show up for camp � or at least try to use the threat of showing up and creating a media circus to force a trade.

Tampa Bay and the New York Jets are emerging as potential trade partners for the Packers, although McCarthy didn't directly address the possibility of a trade Saturday.

McCarthy acknowledged that Favre's presence could become a distraction.

"It'll be a challenge, there's no doubt about it," McCarthy said. "But it's a new challenge and a new year. (It's) different than I personally have ever experienced, but it's something that I can promise you we'll have a plan for and will be dealt with directly."

McCarthy said he spoke with Favre at the Packers' Hall of Fame banquet at Lambeau a week ago and communicated with him via text message this week, but said he still doesn't know if Favre will really show up.

Favre first would have to file for reinstatement with the league and have his request approved by commissioner Roger Goodell. Then he'd have to pass a team physical.

And even if Favre does all that, he won't necessarily be running plays right away. McCarthy said Favre would more likely be limited to doing individual drills in practice, or working out with players who are rehabilitating injuries.

McCarthy said he wasn't concerned that Favre's presence could cause a rift in the locker room, even if some players want Favre back.

"I don't think it's a huge concern, because it will not be the first time the coach and any of the players will have a disagreement," McCarthy said. "We disagree quite often, but the most important part of disagreeing is having the ability to communicate."

Despite the mind-numbing nature of the ongoing Favre saga, McCarthy seemed fairly upbeat Saturday. At one point, he jokingly offered $50 to the first reporter who asked a question that didn't pertain to Favre.

But McCarthy did acknowledge that he was disappointed about how the situation has evolved.

"The way it's gone has been disappointing, I'll say that," McCarthy said. "So you can say that's a surprise."

That's the closest McCarthy and other Packers officials have come to publicly criticizing Favre in recent weeks, even after the quarterback lashed out at Thompson in an interview with Fox News.

"We've taken the high road through this whole process, for as difficult as it's been," McCarthy said. "And we've always operated in the best interest of the Packers and also with the utmost respect for Brett Favre."

But even given Favre's iffy commitment to football, doesn't he still give the Packers their best chance to win in 2008?

"As simple as a question as that sounds, it's obviously more complicated than that," McCarthy said.

Taking Favre back might seem like an easy answer, but doing so would undermine the message McCarthy and his assistants have been preaching to players for nearly five months.

"Moving forward as a football team is really the identity of the whole football team," McCarthy said. "Brett Favre's had an incredible career here. He's been the focal point of the Packers, the face of the Green Bay Packers."

Despite his background as a quarterbacks coach, McCarthy prefers to win with defense � a philosophy that presumably works best with steady but unspectacular play from a quarterback.

"The football team has moved forward with the emphasis on defense," McCarthy said. "Because that's what I believe in."

Even with his firm commitment to Rodgers and the defense, McCarthy couldn't completely rule out the possibility of Favre starting another game for the Packers. But McCarthy's quote � "You never say never" � seemed more like an offhanded acknowledgment of the unpredictable nature of the game than a subtle hint that Favre could win his job back.

"If he reinstates, he'll be part of our roster," McCarthy said. "That's really as far as we can go."

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It now looks like Farve's contract, which was good until 2010 , is going to generate #4 a 20 million dollar , 10 year "marketing buyout."

I am just glad to hear that he won't play.

Maybe the Packers can finally rebuild the team.

[Milwaukiedave]

Well it looks like they reinstated Farve and he is going to report to camp after all. The drama in the GB's lockerroom is going to be interesting.