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slideaway77
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Bibbitybop, I would be careful what you wish for with Obama. Tony Blair promised the world before his election and guess what? He turned out to be a two faced, lying, scumbag. Tony Blair was simply an appeaser of big business. Living standards droped, social mobility dropped, he got us into pointless wars. He was a so called liberal. We got liberal fascism. Something for you to look forward too.
Ask yourself this? Has any elected president in the last 20 years actually improved the lot of the working man in your country? What is Obama really going to do? Like the UK all the decisions and power is held by the banks and big business.
The only politicans in America who get elected are the ones with the most green backs behind them. He who pays wins. The media is running scared of Ron Paul. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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The only politicans in America who get elected are the ones with the most green backs behind them. He who pays wins. The media is running scared of Ron Paul. |
Or...the only politicians that draw that much money are the ones that are likely to be elected. It depends on your point of view.
If I remember correctly there is a chapter in freakonomics about this, with examples of politicians that had huge reserves of personal wealth who failed to gain office. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Interesting. I can see the British connection with Tony Blair and projecting it on to Barack Obama.
Tony Blair was a great speaker and incredibly articulate. You could see he *could have been* a great leader, if he hadn't bent over backwards for the GWB cause.
Fortunately for Obama, the situation is completely different, as he's not in the UK with a very large ally making very large demands. |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Ron Paul dropped out after the primaries. He didn't really have a chance since the elections are rigged. But I'm glad to see that you aren't fooled by Obama |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| He didn't really have a chance since the elections are rigged. |
He formally joins the Republican Party (because it is closest to his philosophy), serves in Congress as a Republican, runs in the Republican primaries and appears in the televised debates, gets media attention...and ends up with around 8% support.
The reason: rigged elections.
RP is a representative from the State of Denial. |
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makemischief
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Vancouver wrote: |
| Ron Paul dropped out after the primaries. He didn't really have a chance since the elections are rigged. But I'm glad to see that you aren't fooled by Obama |
Regardless, the "choice" now is Obama or McCain. Neither matches my politics- but at least voting for Obama doesn't make me throw up in my mouth... as much. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| slideaway77 wrote: |
Bibbitybop, I would be careful what you wish for with Obama. Tony Blair promised the world before his election and guess what? He turned out to be a two faced, lying, scumbag. Tony Blair was simply an appeaser of big business. Living standards droped, social mobility dropped, he got us into pointless wars. He was a so called liberal. We got liberal fascism. Something for you to look forward too.
Ask yourself this? Has any elected president in the last 20 years actually improved the lot of the working man in your country? What is Obama really going to do? Like the UK all the decisions and power is held by the banks and big business.
The only politicans in America who get elected are the ones with the most green backs behind them. He who pays wins. The media is running scared of Ron Paul. |
Given Obama's childhood and youth, especially his social service work, I don't think he's spewing as much BS as you think he is. |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| makemischief wrote: |
| Vancouver wrote: |
| Ron Paul dropped out after the primaries. He didn't really have a chance since the elections are rigged. But I'm glad to see that you aren't fooled by Obama |
Regardless, the "choice" now is Obama or McCain. Neither matches my politics- but at least voting for Obama doesn't make me throw up in my mouth... as much. |
there are other candidates from other parties like Bob Barr
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| He didn't really have a chance since the elections are rigged. |
He formally joins the Republican Party (because it is closest to his philosophy), serves in Congress as a Republican, runs in the Republican primaries and appears in the televised debates, gets media attention...and ends up with around 8% support.
The reason: rigged elections.
RP is a representative from the State of Denial. |
Ron Paul was the 2nd most favorite candidate on facebook's election application. He raised the most money in one day (19 mill ish) He's had the most donations from active duty soldiers
He didn't get much media coverage.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul was the 2nd most favorite candidate on facebook's election application. He raised the most money in one day (19 mill ish) He's had the most donations from active duty soldiers
He didn't get much media coverage.
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Condensed version: The majority of his supporters live on the internet. 92% of his most sympathetic audience think a headlong rush into the 19th Century is not their cup of tea. |
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Cheonmunka
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Obama has a neat little sense of humor. He's like a cutey boy. I love him for that. He's not all macho, macho. He's sweet. But, he's also sinewy tough. He won't stand by and take shite from anyone, and can put them down with words without threat. He doesn't seem to be one who will start a big war or push nuke buttons. I don't get that feeling with other pressies that came before like that crooked-eye evil-looking dude elected in '89 and who started the whole Iraq thing off. He's not a toffee snob like Kerry with a family of mega-millionaires. He doesn't back all his words with 'God said this ...' He doesn't have flashbacks of battle and a history of firing weapons to kill.
등등등. etc etc. |
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rocketdolphin
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| He doesn't seem to be one who will start a big war or push nuke buttons. I don't get that feeling with other pressies that came before like that crooked-eye evil-looking dude elected in '89 and who started the whole Iraq thing off. |
He said he wanted to send even more troops to Afghanistan and Pakistan. |
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A2Steve
Joined: 10 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Obama? Big Con |
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| Hate to say it Yanks but this guy reminds me of Tony Blair before he got in. Everything for everybody. Do yourselves a favour? What happened to Ron Paul? |
He remembered what a fossil he was.
Knock Barack all you want, but in the end, America has a choice between a young idealistic leader, and a fossil who still is trying to win the viet nam war, and thinks John Wayne tactics can win a James Bond war......
Hate to say it, "Limey," but dont bother to compare the next American president to a former UK PM. And from what I recall, he and Bill Clinton seemed to have a pretty good track record when called upon. |
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Shauneyz
Joined: 26 May 2008
Location: The land of Nod
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Ron Paul was the 2nd most favorite candidate on facebook's election application. |
Yep.....too bad the elections aren't held among facebook users only.
Ron Paul was glorified among people on the net and nowhere else, and everyone that I've ever heard support him says "just read his website, you'll see that alot of his policies actually make sense." This stinks of bullshit just as much as it does with any other politician, so let's move on considering he's not even a candidate. |
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makemischief
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| there are other candidates from other parties like Bob Barr |
there are other candidates? really? i wasn't aware that someone declaring himself a candidate actually made him a real candidate.
in an ideal system we would perhaps have more candidates. but we don't- we have two.
and only one of those two will be able to feed himself at state dinners. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| makemischief wrote: |
| Vancouver wrote: |
| there are other candidates from other parties like Bob Barr |
there are other candidates? really? i wasn't aware that someone declaring himself a candidate actually made him a real candidate.
in an ideal system we would perhaps have more candidates. but we don't- we have two.
and only one of those two will be able to feed himself at state dinners. |
That's wrong. Third-party candidates may not be able to hold territory on the electoral map, but they can play spoiler. Bob Barr can tear asunder the a corner of the libertarian-authoritarian-religious right GOP alliance and cost McCain a few % points in a close race with Obama. Disaffected voters can become enthusiastic about third-party candidates, and the main parties may have to respond to their positions to keep their voters. |
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