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pandemic902
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Location: Dorim-dong, Seoul
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 Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: CANADA Online Criminal Check...will this work? |
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Found an interesting site that offers 24 hour to 7 day turnaround on Criminal Back Ground Checks for Canadians: http://www.efindoutthetruth.com/Canada.htm
The question is... if we bring this to an embassy with our affadavit, will it be sufficient? Been waiting on my RCMP check for 2 months now and the clock is ticking... 
http://www.efindoutthetruth.com/Canada.htm
They also have an option for "criminal database searches" (which is cheaper) |
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modustollens
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: CANADA Online Criminal Check...will this work? |
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I tried two different companies - one was truecheck.ca (I think), the other I can not remember.
Anyway, the two companies were not able to do the VSS search though they could do the CRC.
Hence I just went to the local police and waited; though it only took a about 2 weeks to get the CRC and VSS.
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| pandemic902 wrote: |
Found an interesting site that offers 24 hour to 7 day turnaround on Criminal Back Ground Checks for Canadians: http://www.efindoutthetruth.com/Canada.htm
The question is... if we bring this to an embassy with our affadavit, will it be sufficient? Been waiting on my RCMP check for 2 months now and the clock is ticking...
http://www.efindoutthetruth.com/Canada.htm
They also have an option for "criminal database searches" (which is cheaper) |
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egrog1717
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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If you're still in Canada, these guys are cheaper than the police and the turn around is days vis a vis weeks...
http://www.commissionaires.ca/ |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing that you print off a website or e-mail will be accepted by Korean Immigration, regardless of whether it's accompanied by an embassy-notarized affidavit or declaration.
Immigration has changed the text of the E-2 regulations posted at the HiKorea website to indicate this fact. They have also notified the U.S. Embassy (and presumably the embassies of other E-2-eligible nations as well) of this change.
If you request the check online but it's delivered to you as hard copy, you may be okay. Particularly if it bears a police official's signature and looks official. |
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modustollens
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Truecheck will mail you an embossed and police-signed CRC with a verification code for online verification.
Still, when I was getting my docs they could not do the VSS and I had to go directly to the local police anyway.
MT
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Nothing that you print off a website or e-mail will be accepted by Korean Immigration, regardless of whether it's accompanied by an embassy-notarized affidavit or declaration.
Immigration has changed the text of the E-2 regulations posted at the HiKorea website to indicate this fact. They have also notified the U.S. Embassy (and presumably the embassies of other E-2-eligible nations as well) of this change.
If you request the check online but it's delivered to you as hard copy, you may be okay. Particularly if it bears a police official's signature and looks official. |
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polonius
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| modustollens wrote: |
Truecheck will mail you an embossed and police-signed CRC with a verification code for online verification.
Still, when I was getting my docs they could not do the VSS and I had to go directly to the local police anyway.
MT
| Ut videam wrote: |
Nothing that you print off a website or e-mail will be accepted by Korean Immigration, regardless of whether it's accompanied by an embassy-notarized affidavit or declaration.
Immigration has changed the text of the E-2 regulations posted at the HiKorea website to indicate this fact. They have also notified the U.S. Embassy (and presumably the embassies of other E-2-eligible nations as well) of this change.
If you request the check online but it's delivered to you as hard copy, you may be okay. Particularly if it bears a police official's signature and looks official. |
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Canadians in Korea do not require a VSS. It is only those that are in Canada, specifically those that need to visit the Embassy in Toronto and Montreal. So, if Truecheck will mail a police check, that should be fine. But, that is what UT videam said about checks, that ones printed from a website or sent to email are not acceptable. Just thought I would chime in about the VSS, as I just produced a check to immigration, notarized by the Canadian embassy, without VSS. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| polonius wrote: |
| modustollens wrote: |
Truecheck will mail you an embossed and police-signed CRC with a verification code for online verification.
Still, when I was getting my docs they could not do the VSS and I had to go directly to the local police anyway.
MT
| Ut videam wrote: |
Nothing that you print off a website or e-mail will be accepted by Korean Immigration, regardless of whether it's accompanied by an embassy-notarized affidavit or declaration.
Immigration has changed the text of the E-2 regulations posted at the HiKorea website to indicate this fact. They have also notified the U.S. Embassy (and presumably the embassies of other E-2-eligible nations as well) of this change.
If you request the check online but it's delivered to you as hard copy, you may be okay. Particularly if it bears a police official's signature and looks official. |
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Canadians in Korea do not require a VSS. It is only those that are in Canada, specifically those that need to visit the Embassy in Toronto and Montreal. So, if Truecheck will mail a police check, that should be fine. But, that is what UT videam said about checks, that ones printed from a website or sent to email are not acceptable. Just thought I would chime in about the VSS, as I just produced a check to immigration, notarized by the Canadian embassy, without VSS. |
Ditto.
Seems only the korean embassies in Canada care about the VSS, not the Canadian embassy in Korea for the affidavit nor Korean Immigration when it's submitted notarized by the Canadian Embassy.
I'm not even entirely convinced that Korean immigration (by that I mean all immigration officers) are aware of the finer points of the Canadian criminal check. They just want to see something that looks official and notarized.
Why is there a VSS anyways? Isn't a criminal record a criminal record? I mean, why would crimes against minors be reported so that they aren't covered by a standard check? |
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greggers
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Why is there a VSS anyways? Isn't a criminal record a criminal record? I mean, why would crimes against minors be reported so that they aren't covered by a standard check? |
A VSS doesn't check only for crimes against minors, it checks for any kind of sexual thing.
It's to differentiate between a criminal background check to get a job at a bank or something, to show you aren't a thief, vs getting a job dealing with the vulnerable sector - kids, old people or people with disabilities.
The idea is to not unduly preclude people from reintegrating into society after going to prison - if you turn someone down for a job because of their criminal history, it should be because their crime demonstrates an unsuitability for the job.
Your employer doesn't really need to know about that element of your life (assuming you've recovered) if it doesn't have to do with the job. Ie, grabbing someone's boob in a bar when you're 21 and getting a sex assault charge - does that mean you shouldn't be able to be an accountant when you're thirty?
Also the VSS takes a little more work to process because of how databases are set up in Canada; there are separate ones for different types of crime, and a different one if you were a minor at the time, etc.
Anyway I'm not necessarily saying that it's my opinion, but that's the logic of the criminal check vs VSS as I understand it. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| greggers wrote: |
| IlIlNine wrote: |
Why is there a VSS anyways? Isn't a criminal record a criminal record? I mean, why would crimes against minors be reported so that they aren't covered by a standard check? |
A VSS doesn't check only for crimes against minors, it checks for any kind of sexual thing.
It's to differentiate between a criminal background check to get a job at a bank or something, to show you aren't a thief, vs getting a job dealing with the vulnerable sector - kids, old people or people with disabilities.
The idea is to not unduly preclude people from reintegrating into society after going to prison - if you turn someone down for a job because of their criminal history, it should be because their crime demonstrates an unsuitability for the job.
Your employer doesn't really need to know about that element of your life (assuming you've recovered) if it doesn't have to do with the job. Ie, grabbing someone's boob in a bar when you're 21 and getting a sex assault charge - does that mean you shouldn't be able to be an accountant when you're thirty?
Also the VSS takes a little more work to process because of how databases are set up in Canada; there are separate ones for different types of crime, and a different one if you were a minor at the time, etc.
Anyway I'm not necessarily saying that it's my opinion, but that's the logic of the criminal check vs VSS as I understand it. |
Ah, silly me.
So basically, what you're saying is that if I want to become a bank teller, it's okay if I molested children, just not okay if I did a little shoplifting.
funny.
(thanks for your reply!) |
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greggers
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| IlIlNine wrote: |
| greggers wrote: |
| IlIlNine wrote: |
Why is there a VSS anyways? Isn't a criminal record a criminal record? I mean, why would crimes against minors be reported so that they aren't covered by a standard check? |
A VSS doesn't check only for crimes against minors, it checks for any kind of sexual thing.
It's to differentiate between a criminal background check to get a job at a bank or something, to show you aren't a thief, vs getting a job dealing with the vulnerable sector - kids, old people or people with disabilities.
The idea is to not unduly preclude people from reintegrating into society after going to prison - if you turn someone down for a job because of their criminal history, it should be because their crime demonstrates an unsuitability for the job.
Your employer doesn't really need to know about that element of your life (assuming you've recovered) if it doesn't have to do with the job. Ie, grabbing someone's boob in a bar when you're 21 and getting a sex assault charge - does that mean you shouldn't be able to be an accountant when you're thirty?
Also the VSS takes a little more work to process because of how databases are set up in Canada; there are separate ones for different types of crime, and a different one if you were a minor at the time, etc.
Anyway I'm not necessarily saying that it's my opinion, but that's the logic of the criminal check vs VSS as I understand it. |
Ah, silly me.
So basically, what you're saying is that if I want to become a bank teller, it's okay if I molested children, just not okay if I did a little shoplifting.
funny.
(thanks for your reply!) |
hahaha, like i said it's not MY belief per se, but that's the logic of the Canadian liberal justice system. |
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