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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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 Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: Youth mental disorder growing fast |
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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2892938
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Youth mental disorder growing fast
A growing number of Korean youths are suffering from obsessive-compulsive disorder.
A survey conducted by the National Health Insurance Corporation found that the number of teenagers who went to a hospital due to obsessive-compulsive disorder has more than doubled over the past five years ? from 1,353 in 2002 to 2,941 last year. But they could be only the tip of the iceberg.
�The actual number of youths suffering from obsessive-compulsive disorder is estimated to be six to ten times the number of the relevant youth patients admitted to hospitals. Unlike schizophrenics, people suffering from obsessive-compulsive disorder can hide the disease by suffering alone,� said Kwon Joon-su, the professor in charge of the obsessive-compulsive disorder clinic at the Seoul National University Hospital.
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I've seen so many students with mannerisms like obsessively picking at their fingernails, etc. |
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idiotinkorea
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| i don't fare any better. |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: |
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it's the vids, i bet...vids and teevee...on a potentially related note, check out this unpleasant new finding from the good folks at Columbia University, who've apparently uncovered what might be a correlation between autism and television.
Seems all the electronic fun is mangling the soft, malleable minds of our poor yout'. Thanks be to Odin I'm too old to get warped by such things.
http://www.slate.com/id/2151538/ |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| Actually I've been seeing a lot of crazy old people lately, and was gonna make a thread about it. A lot of people talking to and getting annoyed by imaginary people. |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| i4NI wrote: |
| Actually I've been seeing a lot of crazy old people lately, and was gonna make a thread about it. A lot of people talking to and getting annoyed by imaginary people. |
We're not crazy. We're on the Internets. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: |
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That child mental health center which is on the same floor as my apartment always has unearthly, bone chilling screams coming out of it. I often wonder what's going on there.  |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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When you have insurances paying $500/hr. for psyche services, what do you expect? People actually being cured?
Then there's all the psychotropic drugs they push that makes everyone's woes go right out the window (along with their cash). |
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jay-shi
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
When you have insurances paying $500/hr. for psyche services, what do you expect? People actually being cured?
Then there's all the psychotropic drugs they push that makes everyone's woes go right out the window (along with their cash). |
Are you speaking from experience? |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, Jay-Shi, that doctors and pharmacuetical companies support each other is a given. My experience is that I've seen this subject debated before...
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Rep. Ron Paul, MD
The Psycho State: �America�s children should not be medicate
Wed Sep 15, 2004 03:10
64.140.158.17
The Psycho State:
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
http://www.house.gov/paul/mail/welcome.htm
A presidential initiative called The �New Freedom Commission on Mental Health� has issued a report recommending forced mental health screening for every child in America, including preschool children. The goal is to promote the patently false idea that we have a nation of children with undiagnosed mental disorders crying out for treatment.
One obvious beneficiary of the proposal is the pharmaceutical industry, which is eager to sell the psychotropic drugs that undoubtedly will be prescribed to millions of American schoolchildren under the new screening program. Of course a tiny minority of children suffer from legitimate mental illnesses, but the widespread use of Ritalin and other drugs on youngsters who simply exhibit typical rambunctious, fidgety, and impatient behavior is nothing short of criminal. It may be easier to teach and parent drugged kids, but convenience is no justification for endangering them. Children�s brains are still developing, and the truth is we have no idea what the long-term side effects of psychiatric drugs may be. Medical science has not even exhaustively identified every possible brain chemical, even as we alter those chemicals with drugs.
Dr. Karen Effrem, a physician who strongly opposes mandatory mental health screening, warns us that �America�s children should not be medicated by expensive, ineffective, and dangerous medications based on vague and dubious diagnoses.� She points out that psychiatric diagnoses are inherently subjective, as authors of the diagnostic manuals admit. She also is concerned that mental health screening could be used to label children whose attitudes, religious beliefs, and political views conflict with the secular orthodoxy that dominates our schools.
The greater issue, however, is not whether youth mental health screening is appropriate. The real issue is whether the state owns your kids. When the government orders �universal� mental health screening in schools, it really means �mandatory.� Parents, children, and their private doctors should decide whether a child has mental health problems, not government bureaucrats. That this even needs to be stated is a sign of just how obedient our society has become toward government. What kind of free people would turn their children�s most intimate health matters over to government strangers? How in the world have we allowed government to become so powerful and arrogant that it assumes it can force children to accept psychiatric treatment whether parents object or not?
Parents must do everything possible to retain responsibility and control over their children�s well-being. There is no end to the bureaucratic appetite to rule every aspect of our lives, including how we raise our children. Forced mental health screening is just the latest of many state usurpations of parental authority: compulsory education laws, politically-correct school curricula, mandatory vaccines, and interference with discipline through phony �social services� agencies all represent assaults on families. The political right has now joined the political left in seeking the de facto nationalization of children, and only informed resistance by parents can stop it. The federal government is slowly but surely destroying real families, but it is hardly a benevolent surrogate parent.
September 14, 2004
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
| Actually, Jay-Shi, that doctors and pharmacuetical companies support each other is a given. |
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If you are saying that doctors are inventing new diseases or over diagnosing on the behest of pharmaceutical companies, then it is definitely not a given. You would need to show some actual evidence of that.
Its possible that recognition and diagnosis of this disease have increased whilst the actual number of sufferers has stayed constant or near constant. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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JMO, if you read the whole article, the increase is being attributed to the stress these kids are under to compete in the academic world. That, and working parents who are giving them up to nursery care and the after school programs that every one here sees the results of on a daily basis.
I believe this is the recognition that Koreans are being pointed to by making this a newsworthy issue.
I'm pointing to the fact that medicating the sufferers is one way that doctors may turn to to 'cure' this disease. And the drug companies will be right there with the handouts that desperate parents will look for to ease the pain.
Dr. Paul saw this phenomenon take place as long as four years ago and issued his warning. How the Koreans will deal with it is the question. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
JMO, if you read the whole article, the increase is being attributed to the stress these kids are under to compete in the academic world. That, and working parents who are giving them up to nursery care and the after school programs that every one here sees the results of on a daily basis.
I believe this is the recognition that Koreans are being pointed to by making this a newsworthy issue.
I'm pointing to the fact that medicating the sufferers is one way that doctors may turn to to 'cure' this disease. And the drug companies will be right there with the handouts that desperate parents will look for to ease the pain.
Dr. Paul saw this phenomenon take place as long as four years ago and issued his warning. How the Koreans will deal with it is the question. |
Well it is possible that environmental issues can make a disease more prevalent.
What exactly do you mean in the part bolded and why is it 'cure' instead of cure? If certain medication has been shown to be efficacious in the treatment of a disease, it seems reasonable to use it. If you believe that doctors are over prescribing this medication on the behest of these companies, then you would have to show it, not allude to it.
Drug companies make drugs for profit of course but there are strict regulations in most countries about their use. If you want to see an industry run solely for profit and with zero regulations, check out alternative medicine. Of course drug companies also own big shares in this market too, as it so much more profitable. No regulations, no clinical trials, no medical ethics = big bucks. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I've seen a couple of these kids.
At my first hogwan we had a boy, maybe 12 years old, who wouldn't stop using his fingers to try to dislodge his teeth.
Another teacher once told me about a teenaged girl who had chewed through part of her lip.
Bizarre. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Paul saw this phenomenon take place as long as four years ago and issued his warning. How the Koreans will deal with it is the question. |
Is this the same Ron Paul that was running for president and that most people agree is batshit insane? |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Yes Draz, that's Congressman Ron Paul, R-Tx, the Presidential candidate that held so much hope for Independents and Libertarians. Not batshit in the least, just ...Libertarian. He's an OBGYN by trade.
I said 'cure' because while psychotropics do bring relief to many patients. It's not a cure in any real sense, it's therapy that will eventually overcome the emotional imbalance causing these inner demons. Drugs merely put them to sleep.
But therapy and drugs still go hand-in-hand as the commonly accepted treatment for OCD and other behavioral disorders. And between the two, they (doctors and drug companies) do keep you coming back for more.
Methinks that better parenting skills could put a stop to at least half of this nonsense in the first place.
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