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Tiger Beer
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Stephen Harper:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061127/hedges
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| The prime minister, who has begun, in very un-Canadian fashion, to close his speeches with the words "God Bless Canada," is also a born-again Christian. |
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| Harper, who heads a minority government, is a member of the East Gate Alliance Church, part of the Christian and Missionary Alliance, a denomination with 400,000 members that believes in the literal word of the Bible, faith-healing and the imminent return of Jesus Christ. Women cannot be ordained in his church, homosexuality is a sin and abortion is murder. |
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| the prime minister is taking a cue from the Bush Administration and slowly mobilizing Canada's 3.5 million evangelicals--along with the 44 percent of Canadians who say they have committed themselves to Christ--as a power base. |
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| James Dobson has set up a Canadian branch of his Focus on the Family three blocks from the Parliament Buildings in Ottawa. The organization, called the Institute of Marriage and Family Canada, provides political expertise to and otherwise supports Harper |
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Evangelicals REALLY don't seem to like McCain.
Not sure about Obama, he seems to have more religious convictions than McCain though. But the Evangelicals, who make A LOT OF MONEY, of course have more interest in the Republican Party.
No one has as much self-proclaimed faith as George "I am closer to God than the Pope" Bush. I always found it strange that American Catholics thought War was GREAT because Bush was 'close to the lord', when the Pope was so vocally against it. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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worships a man in the sky and his son, and who believes he will give him special favors if he talks nice to him.
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At what point in time did Canadian politicians on the national stage become athiests?
You wouldn't be expecting American politicians to do something Canadian politicians don't do, would you? |
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Funny that you assume someone who is not a Christian is an atheist.  |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Funny that you assume someone who is not a Christian is an atheist. |
Well, can you think of a religious belief system that is not open to the same charges of irrationalism that you level against Christianity?
And can you give me a list of Canadian politicians at the federal level who subscribe to that belief system? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Funny that you assume someone who is not a Christian is an atheist |
I think you were a little too fast with your eye rolling there.
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| worships a man in the sky and his son, and who believes he will give him special favors if he talks nice to him. |
What other religion did you have in mind when you wrote that? You're not suggesting that only Christianity is superstition, are you? |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Funny that you assume someone who is not a Christian is an atheist |
I think you were a little too fast with your eye rolling there.
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| worships a man in the sky and his son, and who believes he will give him special favors if he talks nice to him. |
What other religion did you have in mind when you wrote that? You're not suggesting that only Christianity is superstition, are you? |
You assumed that if Obama didn't believe in the Christian tradition, than he would therefore be an atheist. That would be an erroneous assumption. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Blasphemer wrote:
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| You assumed that if Obama didn't believe in the Christian tradition, than he would therefore be an atheist. That would be an erroneous assumption. |
Well, you seemed to assume that Obama believes God literally lives in the sky.
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I think Americans should be more concerned that a Columbia and Harvard-educated, Harvard-review, United States senator, worships a man in the sky and his son, and who believes he will give him special favors if he talks nice to him.
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I know there are some Christians who do believe that, but many who do not. Do you have evidence that Obama counts himself in the former group? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Let's pretend that I misunderstood your comment in the beginning of this exchange. Why would it be chilling for Obama to be a Christian? Then, what other religion would it be less chilling for him to believe in? |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll keep the idea of Obama being a Muslim going as much as I can. True or not, it helps McCain. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll keep the idea of Obama being a Muslim going as much as I can. True or not, it helps McCain. |
IOW, you are not for McCain, you are just against Obama. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Blasphemer wrote:
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| You assumed that if Obama didn't believe in the Christian tradition, than he would therefore be an atheist. That would be an erroneous assumption. |
Well, you seemed to assume that Obama believes God literally lives in the sky.
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I think Americans should be more concerned that a Columbia and Harvard-educated, Harvard-review, United States senator, worships a man in the sky and his son, and who believes he will give him special favors if he talks nice to him.
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I know there are some Christians who do believe that, but many who do not. Do you have evidence that Obama counts himself in the former group? |
I'm sorry, where exactly do Christians believe god lives?
If O doesn't worship a man in the sky and his son, and believe that prayer works, than he has not accepted two of the fundamental beliefs of christianity. I would argue that if you don't believe in the fundamental tennents of the story god and jesus, why would you be a christian? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| I see you are evading the question. |
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ytuque
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: Re: 12% - Still Think Obama is Muslim |
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Obama's half-brother has publicly stated that Barack Obama is a muslim, so the confusion extends to his own family members. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: Re: 12% - Still Think Obama is Muslim |
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| Obama's half-brother has publicly stated that Barack Obama is a muslim, so the confusion extends to his own family members. |
Barack Obama grew up with his HALF-SISTER, his white Kansas MOTHER, and his Kansas GRANDPARENTS.
Barack's Father was long gone at an early age, and died by the time Barack Obama was, I believe 18. During those 18 years between leaving Barack's mother and his eventual death, its completely possible he got married and started a family in Kenya. But its real safe to say that any 'half-brother' in Kenya would be completely clueless about his American half-brother.
The propoganda interview, and I can only find one of them online, and NO OTHER SOURCES to any other supposed interview, seem to indicate this 'half-brother' a very clueless guy who was probably quite surprised he even has a half-brother who happens to be running for President of the United States, let alone have any knowledge about him.
Well, considering if that ONE news piece is factual, as its the only one being perpetuated all of the many rightwing LOON websites, and haven't heard any other different interview/source about this whatsoever. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| I see you are evading the question. |
all mainstream religions are silly. but I don't really think Obama believes the silliness of the bible, not being a lawyer and a smart one at that. if the bible were a defendent, it would be OJ Simpson. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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blase:
That was the most foolish post I have seen on this thread. Lawyers are no immune from religion.
Psersonally, I don't care if Barrak Hussein Obama is a Muslim or not, I done want him as US president. Hwe would be a disaster that makes Jimmy Carter look good. |
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