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Would some hagwons usually discourage speaking Korean?
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oceansdepth



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Would some hagwons usually discourage speaking Korean? Reply with quote

I have a friend in Korea now, who is also Korean. Supposedly, he says that most hagwons discourage it at all costs to even speak Korean even though a teacher could speak it. Are there any Koreans who are planning to teach English here in Korea who would know about this? Or is there anyone who would at least know some information on the matter? Thanks ~~ Cool
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most schools discourage the use of Korean in class. Most teaching courses discourage the use of the native language in teaching a foreign language.

This is why it's so strange that the Korean education system uses Korean to teach English.
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oceansdepth



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ so do KOrean speakers typically speak KOrean pretty liberally while trying to teach English? I'm saying this is because I am Korean and with private tutoring lessons, obviously I spoke Korean to teach my students. but then my friend told me not to.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Most schools discourage the use of Korean in class. Most teaching courses discourage the use of the native language in teaching a foreign language.

This is why it's so strange that the Korean education system uses Korean to teach English.

I don't see any reason why you can't USE Korean in class to teach English (for clarification), but I firmly disagree about SPEAKING Korean in class much like the KETs do. What's the point of speaking 95% Korean in a class that is not Korean?

Having said that, I've never worked for a school that has forbidden using Korean in class. My guess is that this happens in the hagwons. I've never heard this happening at PS or uni.
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jackson7



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my uni I'm encouraged by my supervisors to use my Korean skills to explain grammar and vocabulary because that's what the students want. In hagwons, however, it's all about what the parents want, and they want English exposure from the native teachers.
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aka Dave



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This actually came up when I was teaching in a hagwon and first studying Korean. One of my students was a chatty little girl whom I taught along with the boss (a nice guy).

That little girl actually complained I was speaking too much Korean! (and this after she gave me a little English-Korean vocabulary book).

So the boss told me not to speak Korean in class, ever. I just ignored this and spoke less Korean to the girl who ratted me out. In my other classes I spoke as much Korean as I could without feeling guilty. Now I teach at a Univ. and when I ask my students questions in Korean they answer in English.


The Korean you use in class includes phrases you repeat over and over ( Ta Get nass o yo? An je sey yo! Chal hehs o yo! Saeng Saeng hey yo!), so these words are easily remembered.
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shifty



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave I need the publisher's name and title of that little dictionary your student gave you.

I'm assuming it's a romanized one. I had one time ago, but foolishly left it to my successor.

Any kind of barcode would also help.

Anyone else having similar info feel free to spill the beans.
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oceansdepth wrote:
^ so do KOrean speakers typically speak KOrean pretty liberally while trying to teach English?

You might find these article excerpts interesting.

School English Classes: Quality of Teaching Appears to Be Diminishing
Editorial, Korea Times (June 7, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2901058
or try this link
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0606b&L=edling&D=1&T=0&H=1&F=&S=&P=400
Quote:
English teaching at primary and secondary schools here appears to be diminishing. According to a recent survey, a growing number of Korean teachers of English conduct their classes in Korean only, contrary to efforts in creating an environment in which students can be better immersed in English. The number of teachers presenting English-only classes in elementary, middle and high schools for an hour each week has declined, according to a Chonbuk National University research survey.

Education authorities have emphasized the importance of teaching practical English that is useful in daily conversation and aimed to enhance students' interest in English. However, their efforts seem to have brought no tangible results. The number of teachers using only English in class was 22.3 percent in 2003, but fell to 19.9 in 2004 and 17.6 last year. Meanwhile, the ratio of those using only Korean in class rose to 12.9 percent last year from 10.7 percent in 2004 and 9 percent in 2003.

We believe there are many reasons why teachers use more Korean than English in their classes. Foremost is their lack of ability to speak English fluently. Attending short-term training programs is the only means of improving teachers' ability to speak English. Last year, 16,330 or 22.2 percent of 74,463 Korean English teachers throughout the country took part in English related job training.

However, an increasing number of high school teachers are unwilling to take part in training programs, saying the programs are not helpful in teaching students preparing for entrance exams. Moreover, we are skeptical about the effectiveness of the training programs in enhancing their ability to conduct classes in English....

Koreans Lack Confidence in English Communication
By Kim Yon-se, Korea Times (February 11, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2008/07/180_18737.html
Quote:
Citing the cases of her children, Chae said the problems of Korean English education are critical. "Our classes are too grammar-oriented. Korean English teachers focus on grammar because of their generally poor speaking ability. As a result, English classes in public schools are often boring. Learning is passive, not active."

Korea also has a low supply of foreign teachers, and they are sometimes of poor quality, she said. "For example, a foreigner with no teaching experience can easily be hired, even by public schools. Plus, typically large class size makes it difficult for even good foreign teachers to teach effectively."...
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oceansdepth wrote:
^ so do KOrean speakers typically speak KOrean pretty liberally while trying to teach English?

Most Korean English teachers use Korean in class exclusively (there are exceptions, but that's exactly what they are: exceptions). How can you learn another language when you don't USE that language in class?
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aka Dave



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shifty wrote:
Hi Dave I need the publisher's name and title of that little dictionary your student gave you.

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She just gave a very basic vocabulary list of colors, animals, and the like.

But as far as dictionaries I recommend the Mingung's pocket dictionary. The korean section is not romanized but it I had a romanized dictionary, this one -

http://www.amazon.com/Langenscheidts-Pocket-Dictionary-Korean-English/dp/1585730564/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217653705&sr=8-1

but I prefer this one

http://www.amazon.com/Minjungs-Pocket-English-Korean-Dictionary/dp/0930878027/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217653705&sr=8-2

The reason I prefer not using Romanized letters is with a Hangul one you learn the order of the alphabet. Also, some Korean words with romanized spellings have alternate translations (Kwang-ju, Gwang-ju) and it's hard to look up words students say to you or words you see on a package, for example.

With a Korean dictionary you can always find your word.
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shifty



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big thanks Dave!!
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sheba



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean teachers at my school always taught English classes in Korean but I cant imagine how they would be able to teach vocab and grammar without using Korean... Our boss tried implementing an English-only class for all of us teachers, but everyone hated it... especially the students.

I used basic Korean instructions for new classes until they had learned them in English, or for scolding... the students would just laugh if I yelled in English!! But then one student complained and I was back to English-only classes... really difficult for the young ones or the not so smart students...
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheba wrote:
The Korean teachers at my school always taught English classes in Korean but I cant imagine how they would be able to teach vocab and grammar without using Korean... Our boss tried implementing an English-only class for all of us teachers, but everyone hated it... especially the students.

When I studied French, the classes were taught in French. When I studied Korean, the classes were taught in Korean. When I studied Japanese, the classes were taught in Japanese. Why is it different for English?

Same goes for the whole clowning around business. Math teachers or history teachers or whatever aren't expected to jump around like monkeys and act like clowns, but if you're and English teacher and don't do it, your classes are automatically "boring" and "why can't you be more like Isaac on TV?". Again, why is English different?


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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most hagwons want foreign teachers to speak English exclusively. A few want their Korean teachers to teach in English, but most tolerate if not expect their Korean teachers to teach mostly in Korean.
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aka Dave



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach prospective English public school teachers, and the theory they study and are taught is CLT which comes out of a social constructivist approach. In a word, the idea is you teach in the target language (in this case English) almost exclusively.

So, in theory, they shouldn't be speaking Korean at all (at least in public schools).

However, I also teach a special class for seniors called "Teaching English in English". It's a class focused on them learning all the classroom vocabulary so they can teach exclusively in English. Really a boring class for me to teach, because the vocab is restricted (chapters in the text book are about AV equipment, using the board, etc.). I had the students do a lot of practice teaching.

Anyway, the point of this is we were putting a lot of effort into preparing them to teach *in English* here in the department.

At one point about halfway through the course I asked them, "Will you mostly use English in the class or Korean?"

An awkward pause. "Mostly Korean". Ack! I felt crushed. All this effort for nothing. lt's partly a confidence thing, I think. If they make a mistake and the students realize it, they're humiliated (some of their students may have lived abroad).

It's also generational, younger students tend to be better as more of them have gone through the hagwon grind gone to the Philippines to practice.

I taught French at an American Univ. while I was a grad student for 4 years. 95 percent of the class was in French. It's the way you learn.

I'm listening to a Korean mp3 language lesson. One thing really bugs me is the sentences/dialogues are read in Korean, but an English narrator orders the sentences "One", "Two", "Three".

How dumb is that? It's a perfect chance to have the sentences numbered in Korean as I'd get numbers well memorized that way.
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