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cashpiles
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Location: Busan, South Korea
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 Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: Korean man needs English teaching job in Seoul |
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Hello all,
I have a Korean friend (born and raised in Korea, aged 24) who went to school in North America, so he has very good English skills. Also, he has atleast one year of Korean English teaching experience.
He is looking for a job at an English hakwon in Seoul.
If any of you know of any Korean English teacher vacancies at your hakwons, please fill me in with some information and I will pass it on to him.
Thanks,
Josh |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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No offense, but how about he go about getting a job like the rest of the lot? Go through recruiters and visit individual hakwons. Use any personal contacts he has.
If he wants to teach English, why doesn't he just get a degree in English education and become a teacher?
Good luck to him. |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
No offense, but how about he go about getting a job like the rest of the lot? Go through recruiters and visit individual hakwons. Use any personal contacts he has.
If he wants to teach English, why doesn't he just get a degree in English education and become a teacher?
Good luck to him. |
That's pretty true.
Just hit the streets with a resume (and photo lol) like everyone else
They'll only want to pay half what they pay foreign teachers, but that's standard. He should make sure to negotiate an hourly pay rate though, because Korean/Korean employment relationships will guarantee they abuse him on salary.
Hourly.
Hourly.
Hourly.
(and make sure there's nothing in the agreement regarding being on site when not teaching classes, unless he likes to hang out at the school ALL DAY).
He needs to negotiate an hourly salary, and a 30 day termination clause, and that's about it.
ALSO, Koreans sometimes have this weird arrangement with Korean employees whereby they receive a smaller monthly salary, and then a large "bonus" at the end of the contract. Just say "NO" to that one in shape or from.
Being a Korean citizen he should not need to get involved in any of the contract/BS that foreign teachers do (and can use this as leverage point for negotiation within reason, as the employer is actually saving money hiring him).
With the current teacher shortage (or so I hear), he should be in the power position if he finds an employer that NEEDS a teacher to keep operating.
I think it's reasonable for a Korean with qualifications to shoot for 2 million a month (no housing, benefits, etc.) for the same standard 20 hours a week foreign teachers usually have. That's 25 and hour, but again, you gotta negotiate hard to get that.
I know two Koreans teaching children that easily make 20,000 an hour. |
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KoreanAmbition
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry to say this, but I'm inclined to think this thread is a joke. If it's actually real, we've just identified the 2 dumbest people in Korea.
Let me get this straight, your friend has 1 year of teaching experience, but had to ask you to find him job information?
Ummm, you mean after 1 year he managed to accumulate:
-No contacts
-No networking
-No industry knowledge
In fact, he's not even proficient with Google or Yahoo?
The above points all lead me to believe this isn't really a serious post, or that the person involved isn't serious about finding a job.
And you, a member of Daves, actually came and posted this topic? I don't understand why you're asking us? You of all people should know to give him the website www.daveseslcafe.com and tell him that an 8-year-old can take it from there.
-He can start his own profile and come ask us himself.
-We have what might be the largest job-posting board that Korea offers, and it's updated daily.
-There is even a special area of this site where your friend can post his resume, and he'll have 20 recruiters contact him by Friday.
He's a Korean and needs to ask YOU to find him a job in Korea? I really have trouble believing this is for real.
Seriously, if I was a manager at a school and found out your Korean friend with work experience found his job in this way, I'd never hire him. The opinion I would have is that he's terribly lazy, and the worst opinion would be considering him of low intelligence.
I do believe that finding an offer for an ESL job in Korea is probably the easiest job-search that is available to mankind in the year 2008.
If this is the effort and initiative that your friend puts into finding his job, then kindly suggest to him that KoreanAmbition says he should make sure he has a year's supply of K-Y at his disposal. |
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cashpiles
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Location: Busan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| KoreanAmbition wrote: |
I'm sorry to say this, but I'm inclined to think this thread is a joke. If it's actually real, we've just identified the 2 dumbest people in Korea.
Let me get this straight, your friend has 1 year of teaching experience, but had to ask you to find him job information?
Ummm, you mean after 1 year he managed to accumulate:
-No contacts
-No networking
-No industry knowledge
In fact, he's not even proficient with Google or Yahoo?
The above points all lead me to believe this isn't really a serious post, or that the person involved isn't serious about finding a job.
And you, a member of Daves, actually came and posted this topic? I don't understand why you're asking us? You of all people should know to give him the website www.daveseslcafe.com and tell him that an 8-year-old can take it from there.
-He can start his own profile and come ask us himself.
-We have what might be the largest job-posting board that Korea offers, and it's updated daily.
-There is even a special area of this site where your friend can post his resume, and he'll have 20 recruiters contact him by Friday.
He's a Korean and needs to ask YOU to find him a job in Korea? I really have trouble believing this is for real.
Seriously, if I was a manager at a school and found out your Korean friend with work experience found his job in this way, I'd never hire him. The opinion I would have is that he's terribly lazy, and the worst opinion would be considering him of low intelligence.
I do believe that finding an offer for an ESL job in Korea is probably the easiest job-search that is available to mankind in the year 2008.
If this is the effort and initiative that your friend puts into finding his job, then kindly suggest to him that KoreanAmbition says he should make sure he has a year's supply of K-Y at his disposal. |
I'm gonna have to stick up for my friend on this one.
He is actively searching for a job, but like anyone else, the more help the better. I'm sure most of you have asked your friends for a favor at least once in your lifetimes and you will understand.
I know that when I go out to look for a new job (in any industry), I'm going to ask my friends for help. |
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KoreanAmbition
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Cashpiles,
Okay, if he is ACTIVELY searching for jobs then I take back "a fair bit" of what I said.
However, I don't see why he isn't actively using this site on his own. This site is a great resource and something he should get involved with. Finding the perfect job (or the job you think might be perfect) takes a lot of time and effort, and I do believe he should be on this site asking the veterans himself.
Just my opinion, but I think his chances of success will be substantially increased if he cuts you out as a middleman for information. |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| He lives in Korea and has no sort of connections? |
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cashpiles
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Location: Busan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: |
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koreanambition,
You're right. I sent him a message telling him about this site. |
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milspecs
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Netz wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
No offense, but how about he go about getting a job like the rest of the lot? Go through recruiters and visit individual hakwons. Use any personal contacts he has.
If he wants to teach English, why doesn't he just get a degree in English education and become a teacher?
Good luck to him. |
That's pretty true.
Just hit the streets with a resume (and photo lol) like everyone else
They'll only want to pay half what they pay foreign teachers, but that's standard. He should make sure to negotiate an hourly pay rate though, because Korean/Korean employment relationships will guarantee they abuse him on salary.
Hourly.
Hourly.
Hourly.
(and make sure there's nothing in the agreement regarding being on site when not teaching classes, unless he likes to hang out at the school ALL DAY).
He needs to negotiate an hourly salary, and a 30 day termination clause, and that's about it.
ALSO, Koreans sometimes have this weird arrangement with Korean employees whereby they receive a smaller monthly salary, and then a large "bonus" at the end of the contract. Just say "NO" to that one in shape or from.
Being a Korean citizen he should not need to get involved in any of the contract/BS that foreign teachers do (and can use this as leverage point for negotiation within reason, as the employer is actually saving money hiring him).
With the current teacher shortage (or so I hear), he should be in the power position if he finds an employer that NEEDS a teacher to keep operating.
I think it's reasonable for a Korean with qualifications to shoot for 2 million a month (no housing, benefits, etc.) for the same standard 20 hours a week foreign teachers usually have. That's 25 and hour, but again, you gotta negotiate hard to get that.
I know two Koreans teaching children that easily make 20,000 an hour. |
I know a few Korean- Americans that went to SK to teach English and they got the same pay and housing that "waygooks" would get.
Is it standard for gyopos to not get housing and etc? seems a bit odd |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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^ i don't think the man cashpiles is talking about is korean american. i know a few korean americans/korean australians and they do get the normal FT package
this guy was born and raised in korea with some schooling in north america, so he wouldn't meet the requirements of a FT at a hagwon, however he could get a job as a korean english teacher at one (which doesn't usually pay as much as the FT position or give housing) |
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milspecs
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad-ish wrote: |
^ i don't think the man cashpiles is talking about is korean american. i know a few korean americans/korean australians and they do get the normal FT package
this guy was born and raised in korea with some schooling in north america, so he wouldn't meet the requirements of a FT at a hagwon, however he could get a job as a korean english teacher at one (which doesn't usually pay as much as the FT position or give housing) |
oh a Korea born Korean, makes sense now
thats for clearing that up haha |
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