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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| i4NI wrote: |
| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Isn't there a difference between can't and won't? Korean is a HELLISHLY complex language for a rather usless language. Learn Mandarin, talk to oh 500,000,000 people. Learn Japanese and talk to 120,000,000 people, and one of america's biggest business partners. Learn Korean and you can talk to what? 40,000,000 people tops? |
Actually between 80,000,000-86,000,000 native speakers. |
No. There are 72,000,000 native speakers but you cannot talk to 23,000,000 of them. Their government won't allow it. |
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rebel_1812
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Why bother learning the language of a culture that is unwelcoming? |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| rebel_1812 wrote: |
| Why bother learning the language of a culture that is unwelcoming? |
Talk about a loaded question. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Isn't there a difference between can't and won't? |
Not in Korean.
못하다 means both "can't" and "won't."
할 수 없다 means both "can't" and "may not."
I was just kidding.
I understand your question.
Albert Ellis, founder of what he calls rational-emotive therapy, would answer your question with a definite yes.
Whenever one of his patients began a question with "I can't..." he would ask "Can you say, 'I won't...'?" |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, Yaya, I make spelling errors from time to time, but at least I can be polite, which apparently you can't.
Where did you go to university? |
Time to time, as in the time you're off your medicine?
And to all who defend Soju's error, well, that speaks volumes about you guys. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| mortundo wrote: |
Hanson, Crusher of Heads?!! Giant Kebab (or whatever the -uck's your name) You're all dicks right?
"Small, small, tiny, tiny,
Just can't score, with a western wifey...
Just sorry.... little.... Dicks!!!" |
Funny how this post speaks volumes about you instead of about me... |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| i4NI wrote: |
Actually between 80,000,000-86,000,000 native speakers. |
Considering you can't visit North Korea, adding them doesn't make a lot of sense, now does it? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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A quick detour from arguing:
Has anyone done the evening programs at Ewha or Sogang? Any thoughts? |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with hugekebab's statement. What stupidity Yaya! |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
| I agree with hugekebab's statement. What stupidity Yaya! |
You can't even spell yet call ME stupid? You're worse than I thought. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
A quick detour from arguing:
Has anyone done the evening programs at Ewha or Sogang? Any thoughts? |
The Sogang program is highly rated among non-Korean foreigners, as it teaches you quickly how to communicate in Korean. I've done the Ewha program before and would not recommend it, even the part-time program. The Ewha program was the cheapest among all the Korean-language programs when I attended it, but all tuition rates have gone up.
If you're a total novice to Korean and have the money, go for Sogang. |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
Of course Koreans can be hypocrites. I have asked the English teachers at my school, at least the ones that have travelled to English-speaking countries, about their experiences, most have told me that they hung out with other Asians. Only a few bothered to befriend locals and experience the culture. These Koreans are hippocrits because they tell me that I should do this and that to become more Korean. They give me the impression that they want everyone to speak Korean so that they don't have to learn another language.
Has anyone else experienced this? Or were my last couple of schools different from Korea? |
Most Koreans, Chinese and Japanese that I've met have said that they really did want to make lots of local friends while studying in English speaking countries. Unfortunately the majority of young westerners are not all that interested in befriending and hanging out with international students and the international students resort to just hanging out with each other. In many cases I think the students could be more proactive in seeking out local friends and joining in with local activities, but they often face an unwelconing wall of indifference.
While living in Korea my experience has been that most Koreans are happy to chat away with me in Korean if I'm in the mood to speak Korean, and are equally happy to use English wtih me when I'm being a lazy student  . I've occasionally met language leeches who insist on answering me in English all the time, but I've found that if I persevere with Korean they eventually give up and switch to Korean. |
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CheeseSandwich
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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I think the biggest road block to learning Korean is realizing that you wont use it once you are gone.
Very few people are going to stay here for the long long term, IE raising a kids and a family here or something like that.
Any of my freinds who are married or engage balk at the idea of actually raising children here. A halfsie kid would be different and different is gonna be bad. They don't want to subject the kid to that sort of insanity.
So when it comes down to it, the long term stay, isn't on the agenda for 95% of people here. I'll learn enough Korean to get by, but I think most people realize that to take the full effort to learn Korean is kinda pointless.
Sure its good in Korea, but outside in the the real world, its something you'd quickly lose.
PS. Also I don't have the money for classes  |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| oskinny1 wrote: |
| i4NI wrote: |
| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Isn't there a difference between can't and won't? Korean is a HELLISHLY complex language for a rather usless language. Learn Mandarin, talk to oh 500,000,000 people. Learn Japanese and talk to 120,000,000 people, and one of america's biggest business partners. Learn Korean and you can talk to what? 40,000,000 people tops? |
Actually between 80,000,000-86,000,000 native speakers. |
No. There are 72,000,000 native speakers but you cannot talk to 23,000,000 of them. Their government won't allow it. |
lol what do you mean "no", did you have God hand count them and send you the information himself? The statistics vary, but yours are the lowest i've seen.
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| Considering you can't visit North Korea, adding them doesn't make a lot of sense, now does it? |
This is just a stupid post, I posted the amount of native speakers first of all. It makes plenty of sense to add native speakers of a language seeing as though thats what's listed for other the other countries. You can indeed travel to North Korea like other people have and talk to the people there.
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| CheeseSandwich wrote: |
| I think the biggest road block to learning Korean is realizing that you wont use it once you are gone. |
I wish I could totally disagree with you, but I can't. I am from the L.A. area and when I tried to use my (rather horrible) Korean-speaking skills outside Korea (in Koreatown), I was given a condescending talk-down by an uppity Korean store owner there. He told me that I should speak English to him since we are in the U.S. I felt rather sheepish. He must of thought I was patronizing him or something---I don't know, but I was quite shocked with his response. |
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