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Clemmens
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: Newbie Needs A Game Plan |
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| Hey guys, I'll be coming over at the end of August to work in a public school position. Was wondering if anyone could recommend some top notch books on EFL theory. Some lit. on classroom management wouldn't be half bad either. I've found some really key stuff on line, but assume that it all came from a book originally anyway, and would much more enjoy reading from a book instead of a screen. Thinking I'll want some kind of educational game plan going into it. Eighty eye balls (Give or take a few; I read a post about the high percentage of eye patches in Korea) staring back at me is a little daunting to think about and I want to know the nature of the beast before I totally slay it and ram its head on a pike (Think Jamie Escalante plus a full head of hair, minus the acne beaten face, and the body and sword of Conan). Thanks for your help guys. |
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jangsalgida
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| You are about to be awakened. Imagine those forty students with eighty eyes wearing their underwear and you will be fine. I would like to be a fly on the wall during your 1st week. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie Needs A Game Plan |
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| Clemmens wrote: |
| Hey guys, I'll be coming over at the end of August to work in a public school position. Was wondering if anyone could recommend some lit. on classroom management... |
The first thing you have to do is not read a book, but make yourself a 'love stick'.  |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie Needs A Game Plan |
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| Clemmens wrote: |
| I've found some really key stuff on line, but assume that it all came from a book originally anyway, and would much more enjoy reading from a book instead of a screen. |
I'd be interested in some links to some of the key stuff you found online. Can you post them?
Oh, and by the way, Jaime Escalante doesn't have an acne beaten face, but the actor who played him in Stand and Deliver does (Edward James Olmos). |
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Ruraljuror
Joined: 08 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Rumple makes a good point.
Commander Adama, though, does indeed have a distinctly pock marked face in real life. |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Keep it simple |
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Herr Clemmens, you sound like a young gun, granola-type who's just rearin' to arrive on his stallion and conquer all the peninsula. Don't come here wearing a tuxedo to a hog butchering. And leave the pike at home. This is Asia, not the West.
Arriving at your new job with high-powered creds and high expectations of your learners will set you up for major disappointment. Bring curiosity and a good attitude, plus a good knowledge of Korean culture, especially the concept of 'face'. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Herr Clemmens, you sound like a young gun, granola-type who's just rearin' to arrive on his stallion and conquer all the peninsula. Don't come here wearing a tuxedo to a hog butchering. And leave the pike at home. This is Asia, not the West.
Arriving at your new job with high-powered creds and high expectations of your learners will set you up for major disappointment. Bring curiosity and a good attitude, plus a good knowledge of Korean culture, especially the concept of 'face'. |
Please ignore this advice, however well intended.
Your job is to motivate and to "expect". Bring it on and just be flexible enough to enjoy whatever comes your way - good or bad.
Cheers,
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com
PS> Contrary to popular belief - young guns are as effective in the classroom as old, battered down vets. Though, others will state all the smoke and mirrors stuff...... the key to good teaching iwth age IS energy/change/learning..... |
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Clemmens
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, some good info and even better laughs. This forum is way classic. So many characters on this thing. Dave's has been one of the better things to happen in my life. Moving on...
Looks like certain heads are butting on the expectations issue... To have expectations or not to have expectations... I don't think very well on my own, usually leave it up to other people to decide for me. So here's what it gonna be: Tobias and DDuebel. Three, five minute rounds in the octagon. Winner will emerge as the Dave's ESL Cafe heavyweight champ and will earn the right to impart their knowledge on me. And you'll get I belt too! I'll get to work on making a sweet-ass belt for the victor, right now.
*For the dude asking about the links: http://www.rong-chang.com/methods.htm
Some links seem better than others, but like everything else, it's all theory till you test it out. |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: Could be |
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Old, battered-down, burned-out vets aren't too effective. Surely the young-gun granolas will be better than these guys?
What about the old vets who still have it?
Argh...what does it matter? We're all a bunch of amateurs anyway. Anyone out there actually HAVE a four-year degree in English education? How about a degree in education?
Come on...English at least?
Mine's in English, but that's as close as I come. |
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modustollens
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| jangsalgida wrote: |
| You are about to be awakened. Imagine those forty students with eighty eyes wearing their underwear and you will be fine. I would like to be a fly on the wall during your 1st week. |
I've taken a public speaking class or two and have heard this method in varying forms (naked even). What bothers me is that this cannot be an appropriate bit of advice for teachers to be doing, considering the HELL you went thru with the background checks and who or who may not be tempted by visions of young bodies, child abuse, etc.
We just don't know. ok?
I'd like to be a fly on the wall there too.  |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Needs A Game Plan |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
The first thing you have to do is not read a book, but make yourself a 'love stick'. |
Wanna tell us more?
Here's a couple essay's on face saving that should be helpful for the noobs in understanding their diplomatic mission:
Face Saving
Face saving (or saving face) refers to maintaining a good self image. People who are involved in a conflict and secretly know they are wrong will often not ... www.colorado.edu/conflict/peace/treatment/facesavr.htm
http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/face/
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The familiar term is "saving face," which means not humiliating others in public, or taking preventive actions so that you, yourself will not be humiliated.
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Anyone trying to negotiate or resolve a conflict, especially one in which the potential for humiliation or embarrassment of one (or more) of the parties is significant.
Description:
Face is understood as the image one projects of oneself or one's nation in a public forum. Understanding face is vital to any conflict management process. Sometimes disputants want so badly to save face that this overshadows all the other issues in the conflict. Depending on the culture you are dealing with, face has different levels of importance. In societies that highly value the concepts of shame and honor, such as Korea, China, and Japan in Asia, Middle-Eastern countries such as Egypt and Iran, and Latin American countries. face is extremely important. People dislike confrontation, and often avoid saying "no." Evasion and inaccuracy are preferred to keep appearances pleasant. Being humiliated before the group can be a fate worse than death.
In Western, more individualistic societies, confrontation is seen as acceptable, and does not necessarily reflect badly on the people involved. Conflicts are seen as a natural part of life. If one commits a social blunder, there is no group shame involved, only personal embarrassment. But such embarrassment is still uncomfortable, and people still do not like to admit mistakes, if they don't have to. So trying to find a way to solve a conflict without emphasizing that one side or the other was wrong is often helpful for conflict resolution.
Face-threatening acts will most likely lead to more of the same in any culture. When face-threatening moves are deemed necessary, the chances for a successful negotiation increase when there is a good balance of face-honoring moves as well.
Examples:
One perspective on the Cuban missile crisis put forth by a leading researcher on face theories, Stella Ting-Toomey, is that the negotiation came down to how both sides could retreat to peaceful positions without losing face. The correspondence between the two leaders (Kennedy and Khrushchev), shows they were trying to figure out how they could both retain honor with each other and in the international arena. Kennedy wrote about the seven lessons he learned during the crisis, number six being, "Don't humiliate your opponent," which is a central face issue.
Application:
Whenever a conflict puts one or more of the parties in danger of humiliation, opponents should consider ways in which their needs can be met while allowing the other side to save face.
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The issues of face can go far towards understanding the Asian psyche. Use it well. |
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