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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Thieving taxi drivers Reply with quote

Has anyone else fallen victim to taxe drivers who choose the scenic route. It happened to me on Satarday when I took a cab from Dongdaegu to my apartment. I'd just got back from Seoul and I was pretty hammered. The taxi driver thought he would take advantage of my condition and drive around the city before going to my chosen destination. It's a trip I've taken many times, so know the route and I know how much it costs. Just so there was no confusion, I even showed the guy my ID card. Countless times during the journey, I told the guy that he was going the wrong way, but he was seemingly oblivious. He really was an asshat. So defiant. In the end, I thought "fukk it". If he wants to make an ass of himself, I'm fine with that. In the past, the trip has never cost more than 9,000W. This guy got the meter up to 25,000!

What did I do? I opened the door and got out. Well, I tried to. But this fukker grabbed me by the arm. I have a MASSIVE bruise from where he grabbed me. We got in a tussle and I prevailed. Other than the arm bruise, I was unscathed. I legged it round the corner and headed to my apt.

Was I wrong? Should I have given him 10K? Would it have made any difference? I think that since he tried to rob me, I had every right to refuse to give him a single penny.
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Imrahil



Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Location: On the other side of the world.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my experience I have found taxi drivers to be quite honest here, although I don't live in a city as big as Daegu. I can honestly only remember a couple of times when a taxi driver took the 'scenic route' or have gotten 'lost.' Almost always the taxi driver gave me a discount and I have been here for 6 years. Although my wife tells me that in Seoul taxi driver's are known to do what you have described, don't know about Deagu though.

To your other question, to me this is a tough one, because if you felt he was cheating you then he doesn't deserve the full fare. You probably should have given him 10 - 15,000 won and been done with it, but that is hindsight. You showed him your ID Card? Hopefully he doesn't remember where exactly you live. Best of luck to you.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, what an asshole. I'd went crazy if anyone grab me really hard and definitely not paid him. I'd probably hit him as hard as I could since he was using brute force to hurt you like he did. He was hostile, because he knew he was screwing you on the fare and you were questioning it which made him insecure.

In Korea, I've rarely had problems with taxis like I did in Thailand, but if you do, you can get out of the car. I once had a problem in Changwon where the taxi picked a woman up on the side of the street and turned around to go the opposite direction I was going as to give her service first. I opened the car door while the car was moving and was yelling, "Stop!, this is not right, I'm not paying her fare nor a fare from where she's going to where I'm going!" He stopped and let me out, I left the door open without paying and got another car. Most Changwon taxis are very new, clean, and honest.

I remember in Thailand how a tuk tuk driver grabbed me by the arm as I was walking down Khao Sarn road demanding that I go shopping with him for a free ride. I said, "you don't put your hands on strangers, only your woman! Keep your funky hands off of people." He was ready to fight me and said, "That's not true! you should come with me now!" I walked away.


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Imrahil



Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Location: On the other side of the world.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
Yea, what an asshole. I'd went crazy if anyone grab me really hard and definitely not paid him. I'd probably hit him as hard as I could since he was using brute force to hurt you like he did. He was hostile, because he knew he was screwing you on the fare and you were questioning it which made him insecure.

In Korea, I've rarely had problems with taxis like I did in Thailand, but if you do, you can get out of the car. I once had a problem where the taxi picked a woman up on the side of the street and turned around to go the opposite direction I was going as to give her service first. I opened the car door while the car was moving and was yelling, "Stop!, this is not right, I'm not paying her fare nor a fare from where she's going to where I'm going!" He stopped and let me out, I left the door open without paying and got another car.

I remember in Thailand how a tuk tuk driver grabbed me by the arm as I was walking down Khao Sarn road demanding that I go shopping with him for a free ride. I said, "you don't put your hands on strangers, only your woman! Keep your funky hands off of people." He was ready to fight me and said, "That's not true! you should come with me now!" I walked away.


Amazing how desperate some people are to make money, that kind of story makes me not want to go to Thailand.
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imrahil wrote:
sojourner1 wrote:
Yea, what an asshole. I'd went crazy if anyone grab me really hard and definitely not paid him. I'd probably hit him as hard as I could since he was using brute force to hurt you like he did. He was hostile, because he knew he was screwing you on the fare and you were questioning it which made him insecure.

In Korea, I've rarely had problems with taxis like I did in Thailand, but if you do, you can get out of the car. I once had a problem where the taxi picked a woman up on the side of the street and turned around to go the opposite direction I was going as to give her service first. I opened the car door while the car was moving and was yelling, "Stop!, this is not right, I'm not paying her fare nor a fare from where she's going to where I'm going!" He stopped and let me out, I left the door open without paying and got another car.

I remember in Thailand how a tuk tuk driver grabbed me by the arm as I was walking down Khao Sarn road demanding that I go shopping with him for a free ride. I said, "you don't put your hands on strangers, only your woman! Keep your funky hands off of people." He was ready to fight me and said, "That's not true! you should come with me now!" I walked away.


Amazing how desperate some people are to make money, that kind of story makes me not want to go to Thailand.


If that's the kind of story to scare you off, then where else in the World can you go to (or be)? Rolling Eyes

That was a strange story anyway, what with the "he was ready to fight me" bit. This being an ESL board I would assume it was the other way.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will Korea Become Top 10 Tourist Destination?
By Kim Rahn, Korea Times (February 24, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2008/07/240_19531.html
Quote:
"Korean taxis have been notorious for being unkind, speeding and overcharging for the last 30 years. The malpractice should be changed now," Oh said.

Note: "Oh" refers to KTO President Oh Jee-chul.

Taxi 'Gangs' Overcharging Foreigners at Incheon Airport
The Marmot's Hole written by Robert Koehler and posted on August 17, 2007
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/17/taxi-gangs-overcharging-foreigners-at-incheon-airport

Korean article on Naver News
http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSS2D&office_id=028&article_id=0000209432&section_id=103&section_id2=240&menu_id=103

Also see Seoul Cab Drivers Overcharging Foreigners
Published by GI Korea posted on June 23, 2007
http://rokdrop.com/2007/06/23/seoul-cab-drivers-overcharging-foreigners

Reckless Taxi Drivers
Donga.com (October 21, 2006)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006102143018
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sjrm



Joined: 27 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orosee wrote:
Imrahil wrote:
sojourner1 wrote:
Yea, what an asshole. I'd went crazy if anyone grab me really hard and definitely not paid him. I'd probably hit him as hard as I could since he was using brute force to hurt you like he did. He was hostile, because he knew he was screwing you on the fare and you were questioning it which made him insecure.

In Korea, I've rarely had problems with taxis like I did in Thailand, but if you do, you can get out of the car. I once had a problem where the taxi picked a woman up on the side of the street and turned around to go the opposite direction I was going as to give her service first. I opened the car door while the car was moving and was yelling, "Stop!, this is not right, I'm not paying her fare nor a fare from where she's going to where I'm going!" He stopped and let me out, I left the door open without paying and got another car.

I remember in Thailand how a tuk tuk driver grabbed me by the arm as I was walking down Khao Sarn road demanding that I go shopping with him for a free ride. I said, "you don't put your hands on strangers, only your woman! Keep your funky hands off of people." He was ready to fight me and said, "That's not true! you should come with me now!" I walked away.


Amazing how desperate some people are to make money, that kind of story makes me not want to go to Thailand.


If that's the kind of story to scare you off, then where else in the World can you go to (or be)? Rolling Eyes

That was a strange story anyway, what with the "he was ready to fight me" bit. This being an ESL board I would assume it was the other way.


you know what they say about assumptions. taxi hub of asia.
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Imrahil



Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Location: On the other side of the world.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been to many parts of the world, but Thailand is not high on my list, for various reasons, and stories like that just keep it down on the list.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't do taxis.
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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
I don't do taxis.


I try to avoid them. But when you're drunk and you've just spent 4 hours sitting on the floor of a packed train, the bus just isn't that appealing.
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R-Seoul



Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Location: your place

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imrahil wrote:
sojourner1 wrote:
...In Korea, I've rarely had problems with taxis like I did in Thailand, but if you do, you can get out of the car. I once had a problem where the taxi picked a woman up on the side of the street and turned around to go the opposite direction I was going as to give her service first. I opened the car door while the car was moving and was yelling, "Stop!, this is not right, I'm not paying her fare nor a fare from where she's going to where I'm going!" He stopped and let me out, I left the door open without paying and got another car.

I remember in Thailand how a tuk tuk driver grabbed me by the arm as I was walking down Khao Sarn road demanding that I go shopping with him for a free ride. I said, "you don't put your hands on strangers, only your woman! Keep your funky hands off of people." He was ready to fight me and said, "That's not true! you should come with me now!" I walked away.


Amazing how desperate some people are to make money, that kind of story makes me not want to go to Thailand.


Pro tip: Never acknowledge the existence of any tout, tuk tuk driver, tailor etc. this includes looking in their direction. They�ll lose interest v. quickly and move on to the next sucker.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All in all I've found the taxi drivers here quite honest about fares, especially considering that a number of them are driving taxis because they ran into trouble work-wise or are criminals. The only problems I've had are with the ones who try to pounce on people around train, bus, and subway stations or at the airport, especially late at night. However, unless you really have no other option than taking one of them, they're easily enough avoided.
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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm definitely getting into the wrong taxis. A couple of years ago in Seoul, I had an experience where the taxi driver stopped and picked up two Koreans with me in the car. He took them to their destination first, which was a massive detour, charged them zero, continued to my place, and expected me to pay the whole fare. It was usaually 4,500W (from Itaewon to Ayeon-dong) and he wanted 12K. Luckily I lived across the street from the police station. I gave him 4K and told him to go to the cops if he wanted more.
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traxxe



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay attention when you are in the taxi next time most of the taxi drivers fleece foreigners in subtle ways to roll the fare up. They keep the RPM's above 2k even in situations that don't merit it like stop and go traffic, etc.

My friend's father is a taxi driver here and he explained to me the rate increases faster with the higher RPM's so when foreigners are in the care because they don't know better they rev high, brake, rev high, brake... this gets the rate up about 20-30% on average.

Some are skilled enough to make this method work without much notice. Others though are blatantly obvious, serious, watch his foot and the RPM's and how they try to keep it spiked above 2 whenever possible.

I tell them immidiately to stop. Some have gotten mad and I've left the cab. Most just chuckle and drive normally.
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Whistleblower



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The black shiny taxis are quite good. They are really good but the independent taxis are quite dishonest. There was a documentary about taxi drivers over charging drunk customers (Korean as well as foreign). It happens to all not just foreigners.
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