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modustollens
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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Brilliant - from my only three or four line comment two people were able to make disparaging comments within 24 hours and conclude that I am an idiot with something up my ass who did not have a fun time getting a low score by just playing the game. It is amazing what happens when the hoi polloi are allowed some computer time.
Now I know why I can rarely read a full thread on Dave's: it reminds me too much of having to read 1st year undergraduate essays.
Anyway, the eastern European accents I found hardest to differentiate, e.g., Estonian versus Hungarian - both sounded pretty much the same.
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| The test won't work for it requires one to make an inductive inference about a regional accent based upon only one person. Plus there are lots of inter-individual differences even within the same accent group. It is an interesting test but ultimately the numerical results are insignificant. |
Yes, I agree. What they should have had was a fair sized sample from across all social and age groups within each accent grouping - say 1,000 in each. They should also have spoken in a number of different settings, from informal to formal. Only after listening to 1,000 people speak for around five minutes each should you have been required to make an educated guess about their probable linguistic provenance, and after answering for 20 accents, maybe a fair score could be attained.
Idiot. Just play the frigging game. |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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38! Am I in the lead?
I got 10 out of 16 correct and even named the correct city 4x. |
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Stevie_B
Joined: 14 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Brilliant - from my only three or four line comment two people were able to make disparaging comments within 24 hours and conclude that I am an idiot with something up my ass who did not have a fun time getting a low score by just playing the game. It is amazing what happens when the hoi polloi are allowed some computer time.
Now I know why I can rarely read a full thread on Dave's: it reminds me too much of having to read 1st year undergraduate essays.
Anyway, the eastern European accents I found hardest to differentiate, e.g., Estonian versus Hungarian - both sounded pretty much the same.
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| modustollens wrote: |
| The test won't work for it requires one to make an inductive inference about a regional accent based upon only one person. Plus there are lots of inter-individual differences even within the same accent group. It is an interesting test but ultimately the numerical results are insignificant. |
Yes, I agree. What they should have had was a fair sized sample from across all social and age groups within each accent grouping - say 1,000 in each. They should also have spoken in a number of different settings, from informal to formal. Only after listening to 1,000 people speak for around five minutes each should you have been required to make an educated guess about their probable linguistic provenance, and after answering for 20 accents, maybe a fair score could be attained.
Idiot. Just play the frigging game. |
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As 'hoi polloi' means 'the crowd', you don't need the 'the'. Idiot.
Next time you fancy coming on here trying to show off how clever you are, try actually being intelligent. |
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modustollens
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Stevie_B wrote: |
| modustollens wrote: |
Brilliant - from my only three or four line comment two people were able to make disparaging comments within 24 hours and conclude that I am an idiot with something up my ass who did not have a fun time getting a low score by just playing the game. It is amazing what happens when the hoi polloi are allowed some computer time.
Now I know why I can rarely read a full thread on Dave's: it reminds me too much of having to read 1st year undergraduate essays.
Anyway, the eastern European accents I found hardest to differentiate, e.g., Estonian versus Hungarian - both sounded pretty much the same.
| Stevie_B wrote: |
| modustollens wrote: |
| The test won't work for it requires one to make an inductive inference about a regional accent based upon only one person. Plus there are lots of inter-individual differences even within the same accent group. It is an interesting test but ultimately the numerical results are insignificant. |
Yes, I agree. What they should have had was a fair sized sample from across all social and age groups within each accent grouping - say 1,000 in each. They should also have spoken in a number of different settings, from informal to formal. Only after listening to 1,000 people speak for around five minutes each should you have been required to make an educated guess about their probable linguistic provenance, and after answering for 20 accents, maybe a fair score could be attained.
Idiot. Just play the frigging game. |
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As 'hoi polloi' means 'the crowd', you don't need the 'the'. Idiot.
Next time you fancy coming on here trying to show off how clever you are, try actually being intelligent. |
Its nice to know that you can google Greek. I have indeed been bested by a cultured champion of wit of classical scholarship with all the time in the world to police a forum's responses to a mere "game" on the Internet. I am glad you have found something so important to put your elegant skills and social graces toward.
I keep forgetting to un-check 'notify me when a reply is posted' - but now thanks to you I am not going to forget this time.
But next time read more than just the first few lines of your google search or Wikipedia when you are trying to appear as if you are educated in Greek; remember, you can spit out all the ad hominems you want (e.g., "idiot") but that does not make you a scholar of Latin or Greek or even English:
"Since "hoi" means "the", it might be said that the common usage of the hoi polloi contains a redundancy. However, this latter usage is well-established and it is often the case that phrases borrowed from other languages become treated as single words in English.[11] The Chicago Manual of Style considers the usage "the hoi polloi" to be the standard usage.[12] (Merriam) Webster's Dictionary of English Usage says:
� When hoi polloi was used by writers who had actually been educated in Greek, it was invariably preceded by "the". Perhaps writers such as Dryden and Byron understood that English and Greek are two different languages, and that, whatever its literal meaning in Greek, hoi does not mean "the" in English. There is, in fact, no such independent word as hoi in English � there is only the term hoi polloi, which functions not as two words but as one, the sense of which is basically "commoners" or "rabble." In idiomatic English, it is no more redundant to say "the hoi polloi" than it is to say "the rabble," and most writers who use the term continue to precede it with *the* ...[13]
Dryden, Byron, Webster's and the publishers of the Chicago Manual - they must all be idiots too in the bright light of your profound knowledge of Greek and English! Where can I buy your translation of these famous words:
μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος
οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί' Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε' ἔθηκεν
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Like I said, the hoi polloi come out in droves on the Internet!
So, take foot out of mouth, continue being troll posing as a Greek scholar. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it possible to be a pedant with a sense of humor or are those two things mutually exclusive? |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it possible to be a pedant with a sense of humor or are those two things mutually exclusive? |
Usually. But in this case, I say make an exception. 
Note to self: hoi poi, excellent wordage
So is poser.  You can use that one as an indirect insult too, if you leave it as an unintended typo. |
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Its just a ride
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: A galaxy far, far away.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| 30 - a few lucky guesses. The eastern European ones were the hardest for me. Switzerland and Austria are practically the same, aren't they? |
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shantaram
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For what it's worth I agree with you about the test, modustollens. My first thought when I came across it was that I would try it with my students. After trying the test myself, though, it isn't clear enough for the students to learn anything from, so I'll use it for a bit of fun instead.
I don't get the excitement in this thread over who is in the lead or whatever, or why a group of teachers would jump on someone for making a reasonable point about the game- perhaps you weren't looking at it as a possible learning tool for your students. |
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Stevie_B
Joined: 14 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| modustollens wrote: |
| Stevie_B wrote: |
| modustollens wrote: |
Brilliant - from my only three or four line comment two people were able to make disparaging comments within 24 hours and conclude that I am an idiot with something up my ass who did not have a fun time getting a low score by just playing the game. It is amazing what happens when the hoi polloi are allowed some computer time.
Now I know why I can rarely read a full thread on Dave's: it reminds me too much of having to read 1st year undergraduate essays.
Anyway, the eastern European accents I found hardest to differentiate, e.g., Estonian versus Hungarian - both sounded pretty much the same.
| Stevie_B wrote: |
| modustollens wrote: |
| The test won't work for it requires one to make an inductive inference about a regional accent based upon only one person. Plus there are lots of inter-individual differences even within the same accent group. It is an interesting test but ultimately the numerical results are insignificant. |
Yes, I agree. What they should have had was a fair sized sample from across all social and age groups within each accent grouping - say 1,000 in each. They should also have spoken in a number of different settings, from informal to formal. Only after listening to 1,000 people speak for around five minutes each should you have been required to make an educated guess about their probable linguistic provenance, and after answering for 20 accents, maybe a fair score could be attained.
Idiot. Just play the frigging game. |
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As 'hoi polloi' means 'the crowd', you don't need the 'the'. Idiot.
Next time you fancy coming on here trying to show off how clever you are, try actually being intelligent. |
Its nice to know that you can google Greek. I have indeed been bested by a cultured champion of wit of classical scholarship with all the time in the world to police a forum's responses to a mere "game" on the Internet. I am glad you have found something so important to put your elegant skills and social graces toward.
I keep forgetting to un-check 'notify me when a reply is posted' - but now thanks to you I am not going to forget this time.
But next time read more than just the first few lines of your google search or Wikipedia when you are trying to appear as if you are educated in Greek; remember, you can spit out all the ad hominems you want (e.g., "idiot") but that does not make you a scholar of Latin or Greek or even English:
"Since "hoi" means "the", it might be said that the common usage of the hoi polloi contains a redundancy. However, this latter usage is well-established and it is often the case that phrases borrowed from other languages become treated as single words in English.[11] The Chicago Manual of Style considers the usage "the hoi polloi" to be the standard usage.[12] (Merriam) Webster's Dictionary of English Usage says:
� When hoi polloi was used by writers who had actually been educated in Greek, it was invariably preceded by "the". Perhaps writers such as Dryden and Byron understood that English and Greek are two different languages, and that, whatever its literal meaning in Greek, hoi does not mean "the" in English. There is, in fact, no such independent word as hoi in English � there is only the term hoi polloi, which functions not as two words but as one, the sense of which is basically "commoners" or "rabble." In idiomatic English, it is no more redundant to say "the hoi polloi" than it is to say "the rabble," and most writers who use the term continue to precede it with *the* ...[13]
Dryden, Byron, Webster's and the publishers of the Chicago Manual - they must all be idiots too in the bright light of your profound knowledge of Greek and English! Where can I buy your translation of these famous words:
μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος
οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί' Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε' ἔθηκεν
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Like I said, the hoi polloi come out in droves on the Internet!
So, take foot out of mouth, continue being troll posing as a Greek scholar. |
You had to look that up on Wikipedia? Ha. You thick f*ck.
Also, I can't say this with any certainty, but I would guess from the tone of your posts that you have an absolutely tiny πέος.  |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| A miserable 37. The spanish dude caught me out- could've been from just any south american country. |
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