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Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries?
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries? Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:

In addition, foreigners at least, who date Korean women, NEVER meet their close friends or family. Almost NEVER.


Hehe, I like how you say NEVER in caps in the first sentence and then the very next sentence invalidate your emphatic NEVER from the sentence prior.

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Yet, afterwards, you'll NEVER hear from the woman again. WHY?


They woke up and the beer goggles were gone?
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post is such a righteous Western Christian rant.
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Faunaki



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what my khusband said upon marrying me - I"m glad I get to marry someone I like. My mom was really pushing me to get married and setting me up with all of these girls but I didn't like any of them.

Basically he was gonna have to get married even if he didn't like the girl.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faunaki wrote:
This is what my khusband said upon marrying me - I"m glad I get to marry someone I like. My mom was really pushing me to get married and setting me up with all of these girls but I didn't like any of them.

Basically he was gonna have to get married even if he didn't like the girl.


Yep, and pressure to marry someone whom the parents approve of has led Koreans (not to mention other Asians) to commit suicide, cut off family ties or get castrated (just joking). The pressure is especially high if one family is rich and the other not so rich.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faunaki wrote:
This is what my khusband said upon marrying me - I"m glad I get to marry someone I like. My mom was really pushing me to get married and setting me up with all of these girls but I didn't like any of them.

Basically he was gonna have to get married even if he didn't like the girl.

I've also noticed MANY women who have several boyfriends, one of which is ALWAYS the one they plan to marry. That's the guy working 80 hours a week in the company and has no time for anything but those several formal dates to quickly agree upon marriage and that's about it.

In the meantime, the girl has several 'male friends', i.e. boyfriends which aren't called boyfriends. Plus, for some, there is the occassional caucasian guy.

I've also heard of many situations where token white guy thinks he has some steady girlfriend, and suddenly she's on the alter with another guy with like a two week notice to the token white guy. Honestly though, they are really only bf/gf in the token white guy's head, for the girl, he was always 'just the english teacher she studies with' as she continues to tell all her friends or anyone else who just happens to have seen them together.
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sojusucks



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed that IncognitoHFX mentioned East Asians in addition to Koreans.

I happen to know of a few interracial couples including a Western individual and an Eastern Asian individual (i.e. Chinese). These unions have been between people with higher degrees (bachelors or higher).

Now, I have seen (this is in Korea) an old Western man walking down the street holding his Korean girlfriend's hand, while accompanied with a few Korean gentlemen. Is this a scene resulting from internet dating?

I know it's possible to have unions that are based less upon finance. Those of you who have first-hand knowledge, please continue to share your experiences and help us come to some sort of conclusion.

Oh, could some address the difference between being the Western woman vs. man in a relationship with a Korean or other Eastern Asian?
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rebel_1812



Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear everything on this board. It might be true. I can't say I have talked to many koreans about infidality. There are alot of love motels here. Those places are there for the purpose of sex when you still live at you parents house (which can be long here) or cheating on your girlfriend/wife. But on the other hand, every girl I've been with here was super tight. Which of course means she hasn't been with many guys. So I'm not sure if there is much cheating going on. The girl I am with right now is superconservative, timid and shy. I have trouble picturing her juggling 3 guys at once.
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RJjr



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rebel_1812 wrote:
But on the other hand, every girl I've been with here was super tight. Which of course means she hasn't been with many guys. So I'm not sure if there is much cheating going on.


The Korean section of internationalsexguide.com is full of reviews of prostitutes having problems with the customers' sizes. Your girlfriends may very well have been non-promiscuous, but tightness may not be the best barometer.
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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:
rebel_1812 wrote:
But on the other hand, every girl I've been with here was super tight. Which of course means she hasn't been with many guys. So I'm not sure if there is much cheating going on.


The Korean section of internationalsexguide.com is full of reviews of prostitutes having problems with the customers' sizes. Your girlfriends may very well have been non-promiscuous, but tightness may not be the best barometer.


Wow, this post is creepy on so many levels.
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Donghae



Joined: 24 Dec 2003
Location: Fukuoka, Japan

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting (and so far surprisingly sensible) thread. Xingyiman and ruraljuror were pretty much spot on with the way they summed up marriage in Korea on the first page. Although I'd say it's important to point out that not ALL couple's marriages are like this - very many, yes, but all, no.

A few people have mentioned Korean parents opposing their daughter's marriage to a foreigner. Obviously this does happen, but it's often a much more complex issue than many people realise and isn't just irrational xenophobia per se. For a start, it's worth remembering that many potential Korean son-in-laws are also rejected by the girl's parents. Korean parents tend to judge by what they think will work out as the most stable option in the long term. There are some who think (perhaps wrongly, but understandably nevertheless) that a marriage to a foreigner will end in divorce as "foreigners get divorced more often than we do". There is often also the worry that potential mixed race children may face difficulties growing up in a mostly homogenous society. Of course, there are the concerns about financial security as well - often the reason why many Korean boyfriends don't get the parental approval.

As this thread was about East Asia, let me add a Japanese angle .It's not exactly the same but is a fairly similar situation in Japan. Love hotels abound over here for the same reason that motels do in Korea. Lots of married couples actually sleep in separate rooms as there's no reason why they'd have sex again (with each other, I mean!) after they've finished having kids. I believe it used to be quite openly encouraged (although perhaps not in the way we'd expect such encouragement) for men working in government departments and larger comapanies to regularly sleep around as this was seen as in the wider company interest, being the kind of recreation that would keep them on top of their work (pun only half intended!).

Since I've been in Japan, I've known about 15 Korean/Japanese married couples. About two-thirds of these faced parental objection. Interestingly, in all these cases that I've personally known, that parental objection came from the Japanese parents, NOT the Korean ones. Given the history of the first half of last century, this surprised me that no Korean parents were objecting to a Japanese son/daughter-in-law, although I know there must be some who do. I've discussed this with a few Koreans I know well and the general feeling is that (a) a Japanese son-in-law is seen as likely to be financially stable and (b) the grandkids won't get bullied because they stick out as mixed race kids.

The Japanese objections didn't surprise me that much, because they are some Japanese, particularly the older and more conservative, who although they won't show it openly much, do very much despise and have contempt for anything Korean and would find it quite humiliating to have their family "tainted". In fact, I have one Japanese friend whose girlfriend, now wife, was born in Japan to parents also born in Japan, but her grandparents came from Korea during the colonial period. Her parents took Japanese nationality before she was born, so she's never been anything other than Japanese, legally speaking. She neither speaks a word of Korean nor has she ever been to Korea. But when my mate's parents found out about her "Korean" background a few months before their planned wedding, they immediately withdrew their approval and told him he had to marry someone else. To his credit, IMO, he told them he'd been with her for 2 years and was marrying who he wanted and they could accept it or fck off. And unfortunately, now 5 years later, they will still have nothing to do with him.

I've known of Japanese parents objecting to other nationalities (western ones), but in all the cases I've known of, none that didn't at least grudgingly accept it in the end.
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not have the link to the article, but due to the Korean wave, I heard that there are dating services that help Japanese girls meet the Korean boyfriend of their dreams.
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruraljuror wrote:
They already had a passionate love affair with their true love, but that relationship was nixed by their parents (EVERY Korean I've ever met has a story of their one true love, and the tragic circumstance which led to it's demise) and they are still broken hearted about it.


And then they quickly go on to inflict the same unhappiness on their own kids. Rolling Eyes
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samd



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
I noticed that IncognitoHFX mentioned East Asians in addition to Koreans.

I happen to know of a few interracial couples including a Western individual and an Eastern Asian individual (i.e. Chinese). These unions have been between people with higher degrees (bachelors or higher).

Now, I have seen (this is in Korea) an old Western man walking down the street holding his Korean girlfriend's hand, while accompanied with a few Korean gentlemen. Is this a scene resulting from internet dating?

I know it's possible to have unions that are based less upon finance. Those of you who have first-hand knowledge, please continue to share your experiences and help us come to some sort of conclusion.

Oh, could some address the difference between being the Western woman vs. man in a relationship with a Korean or other Eastern Asian?


Another new troll bumping old threads. Why?
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zpeanut



Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
I noticed that IncognitoHFX mentioned East Asians in addition to Koreans.

I happen to know of a few interracial couples including a Western individual and an Eastern Asian individual (i.e. Chinese). These unions have been between people with higher degrees (bachelors or higher).

Now, I have seen (this is in Korea) an old Western man walking down the street holding his Korean girlfriend's hand, while accompanied with a few Korean gentlemen. Is this a scene resulting from internet dating?

I know it's possible to have unions that are based less upon finance. Those of you who have first-hand knowledge, please continue to share your experiences and help us come to some sort of conclusion.

Oh, could some address the difference between being the Western woman vs. man in a relationship with a Korean or other Eastern Asian?


My bf of 5 yrs is korean, a FOB infact.. and i'm not. To be precise, I am an Australian born 'Chinese' of Taiwanese origin, but in many ways I'm a True Blue Aussie.. so.. yes, i'm part of a whole new generation of identities.

I'm very happy where I am and so is he. Was hard in the beginning but compromise is needed in every relationship. Work out how to keep each other happy. simple. We've met each others parents and stayed at each others family home, so everything is out in the open.

Maybe being able to speak some korean helps.. i'm sure his mother felt better with this thought in mind. It also helps that he has completed tertiary studies in Australia.. exposure to western culture and social values etc.

Monogamy doesn't seem to be an issue at all. His sister has always had monogamous relationships. I have korean friends who have always been monogamous.

I'm sure this topic has been covered already.

This rant about lack of monogamy in korea is a little ahh.... empty. What are you observations based on? what statistics? what kind of girls are in question? so many issues relate to this.. its stupid to rant on about cheating.. it's not like you've dated the whole female korean population.
Plenty of decent korean girls... PLUS, a lot of ppl on Dave's seem to meet/see/encounter really weird and out of this world situations/people.

On the topic of Room Salons and forceful bosses. Everyone has a choice. It's a question of principle. I've met some koreans who have responded to the situation with gratitude (for the bosses generosity) but refused the offer. Refusing is showing respect for your wife at home. In regards to the Christian who had no choice, I say Bollucks to that!
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browneyedgirl



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries? Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:


My question, exactly: do Koreans lie more than Westerners quantantatively? How exactly do they lie, and how can you catch them in a lie (I know they tell "around the truth" but not the truth exactly)? Are most Korean relationships secretly polyamorous, and are most Korean/East Asians completely okay with that? Or are Koreans (women) who date foreigners pulled more towards open relationships and secrecy?


I think people (of all races) just cheat a lot. It�s easy to single people out, but I can�t really think of an ethnicity that is known for being faithful. I had a friend who claimed she never met a Black man who didn�t cheat. Isn�t that stupid? Yet, in our neighborhood it was kind of true and I couldn't disprove her comment with an example.
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