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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: Dealing with dog ownership and school schedules? Reply with quote

There is a stray Jindo in my town that I am seriously considering adopting, but I have one major concern. Two days a week I am gone from 8am to 4-5pm, without a way to get home. Do any of you have experience with keeping dogs inside for longish periods of time like that?
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bobranger



Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Location: masan

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It�s possible to leave a dog for an eight hour period. Some things you must consider: How old is the dog. What is its temperament (jindo dogs are very independent and not good for inexperienced handlers). Are you willing to pay for the vet bill (neutering, de-worming, ect.)? What will you do when you go home? As for leaving the dog alone for eight hours, you will need a secure place for it to stay such as a dog crate or your bathroom and some sort of entertainment (dog toys). Always have water for it. You should have sufficient time before you go to work and after work for exercise and obedience training. It�s time consuming and somewhat expensive at first but the rewards are high.
The good news about jindos is they are easy to housetrain and groom themselves like cats. But you still need to give them a good brush.
Good luck
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/jindo.htm
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sineface



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: C'est magnifique

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second what the last poster said. Be sure you do your homework on the pros and cons of jindos particularly, not just dogs in general. We almost adopted one last year, but after a lot of research found out that their prey drive is extremely high (having originally been bred for as a hunting weapon in themselves). This wouldn't correlate well with our two rambunctious cats and small dog, who like to speed around the apartment. In the future, that may mean they are not well suited around small children, whether yours or not. I've also read that they, being an extremely smart and curious breed, will inevitably find something to 'play with' (read, perhaps, 'destroy') if left alone for extended periods of time. Our friend adopted a stray Jindo early this year, and has taken him back to the US with him. He's settled in pretty well, is the star of the neighbourhood of course, but has in inbuilt talent for climbing very high fences, escaping, and chasing anything that moves.

The only more important piece of advice I can give is, there are always dogs that don't live up to their breed. Some may be too lazy to chase, too old to tear your apartment up when you're gone, and might just prefer to go for their walks and act like a gentleman. Just make sure to get to know the individual dog, perhaps try a trial foster of it?
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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobranger wrote:
It�s possible to leave a dog for an eight hour period. Some things you must consider: How old is the dog. What is its temperament (jindo dogs are very independent and not good for inexperienced handlers). Are you willing to pay for the vet bill (neutering, de-worming, ect.)? What will you do when you go home? As for leaving the dog alone for eight hours, you will need a secure place for it to stay such as a dog crate or your bathroom and some sort of entertainment (dog toys). Always have water for it. You should have sufficient time before you go to work and after work for exercise and obedience training. It�s time consuming and somewhat expensive at first but the rewards are high.
The good news about jindos is they are easy to housetrain and groom themselves like cats. But you still need to give them a good brush.
Good luck
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/jindo.htm


The dog in question is a stray in a neighboring village to mine. I've been feeding him for about a month, and gave him some de-wormer at one point, though I'm not sure it was enough. He is relatively skittish, as I believe he has been quite abused, but he does not bark and is not aggressive, and is friendly once he gets to know someone (I have introduced him to three people). I make a pretty decent wage here in my little backwater, and so should be able to afford the pet costs.

When I go home, I would want to take the dog with me. I think it's cruel to have a dog and then simply leave it behind. As for a secure place, I have a two bedroom apartment, and one bedroom (about 9x9ft) is completely empty, so that could be used as the "dog's room", or I could simply close the doors to the livingroom/bedroom and let him have use of the kitchen/bathroom/second bedroom.

I don't have much time in the morning - enough for a quick romp, but that's about it, but after work, I have absolutely nothing to do, and I usually go for 1-2 hour walks, and I would love to have a companion for them.

I've heard that Jindos are very clean as far as dogs go, and while I'm hoping that, sadly, due to his abuse, this Jindo will be a little *less* independent than average, I have a lot of experience with independent AND abused dogs. I used to work at a shelter, and I have raised an Aussie myself, which are very smart dogs prone toward destruction if bored.
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driftingfocus



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Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sineface wrote:
I second what the last poster said. Be sure you do your homework on the pros and cons of jindos particularly, not just dogs in general. We almost adopted one last year, but after a lot of research found out that their prey drive is extremely high (having originally been bred for as a hunting weapon in themselves). This wouldn't correlate well with our two rambunctious cats and small dog, who like to speed around the apartment. In the future, that may mean they are not well suited around small children, whether yours or not. I've also read that they, being an extremely smart and curious breed, will inevitably find something to 'play with' (read, perhaps, 'destroy') if left alone for extended periods of time. Our friend adopted a stray Jindo early this year, and has taken him back to the US with him. He's settled in pretty well, is the star of the neighbourhood of course, but has in inbuilt talent for climbing very high fences, escaping, and chasing anything that moves.

The only more important piece of advice I can give is, there are always dogs that don't live up to their breed. Some may be too lazy to chase, too old to tear your apartment up when you're gone, and might just prefer to go for their walks and act like a gentleman. Just make sure to get to know the individual dog, perhaps try a trial foster of it?


I'll first direct you to my reply to his post (the comment above this one) to avoid repeating too much, but here goes:

I've actually researched Jindos quite a bit. I live on Jindo island, where they come from, and I see at least a dozen a day, and actually work with one of the breeders here (well, "work" is a relative term - more like socialize their dogs for them for free). I have met the range from vicious to lick-your-face-off friendly. This particular stray has been hanging around one of the nearby temples for a couple months, and I've been feeding him and gave him some de-wormer at one point. He does not appear to be anyone's, and while he is skittish, he is also sweet, once he got to know me. Because he's been abused and neglected, he's pretty low-key as far as I can tell. No barking or anything. I suspect he might be a former performer in the Jindo circus located nearby that closed down about a year ago and just pretty much released all their dogs. He knows some commands in Korean, so that bodes well.

I have experience with dogs not good around children or animals - my own dog at home (died two years ago) was maced when he was a puppy, and ended up quite defensive and scary to some, though very loving to my family. He was also very smart (they're one of the most intelligent breeds out there), and so I got used to learning how to trick dogs.

I used to work at an animal shelter, and while I have not had a dog in 6-ish years (my parents kept my dog when I went to college), I find myself missing the companionship, especially here in Korea.
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driftingfocus



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Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, for those curious, here's the little guy:

http://www.driftingfocus.com/sangaysastray.jpg


And here's some other photos of him: http://flickr.com/photos/antipeople/tags/sangaysastray/
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A pet is something a TEFlER should not consider.
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driftingfocus



Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
A pet is something a TEFlER should not consider.


WTF are you talking about?
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's very cute, but that's not what I thought a jindo dog looks like.
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driftingfocus



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
He's very cute, but that's not what I thought a jindo dog looks like.


He's actually a pretty rare color. The most desirable, and common, color is white, though they also are accepted in orange, orange and white, black, black and orange, brindle, and "grey", which is what this one is. I think it's more of a red/black guardhairs, but whatever. The "Center for the Jindo Dog" down the road says he's grey, so I guess he's grey!
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Join Me



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your considering taking a stray dog (which I assume lives outside) and locking it in your apartment for eight hours at a shot? Sound fair to you? What about paying a neighbor to take it out for a walk on those days? Also, I would look into the cost of shipping a dog home before you get involved. I see many, many pets who are left in Korea due to "cost of shipping them home."
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MUOhio82



Joined: 25 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are able to take care of him, and you want him, then do it.

I have a puppy here, and I work 3 to 9 during the week. I managed to littler box train the little guy, so he uses that to go to the bathroom. I'm sure with an adult dog that's not really an option though. He goes on long walks in the morning, before I leave, and when I come home. Time that I'm not work is spent with the puppy, and seriously, in a strange country it's a JOY to have that little guy with me, we do everything together, haha.

I make sure he's got plenty of toys to keep himself occupied while I'm at work, so as long as you do that, I don't foresee there being a problem. The only thing I was really worried about was getting the shot papers in English so I can take him home when my contract is up.

I think owning an animal, even in a foreign country, is a grea thing. If you're able to care for it, love it, and treat it like a member of your family, there's no reason you shouldn't go for it just because you're not in your home country, that's rubbish.

Best of luck! Smile
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driftingfocus



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Join Me wrote:
Your considering taking a stray dog (which I assume lives outside) and locking it in your apartment for eight hours at a shot? Sound fair to you? What about paying a neighbor to take it out for a walk on those days? Also, I would look into the cost of shipping a dog home before you get involved. I see many, many pets who are left in Korea due to "cost of shipping them home."


It's better than him starving.

Also, I would be taking him home by plane.
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majolica



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

driftingfocus wrote:
Join Me wrote:
Your considering taking a stray dog (which I assume lives outside) and locking it in your apartment for eight hours at a shot? Sound fair to you? What about paying a neighbor to take it out for a walk on those days? Also, I would look into the cost of shipping a dog home before you get involved. I see many, many pets who are left in Korea due to "cost of shipping them home."


It's better than him starving.

Also, I would be taking him home by plane.


those people that leave pets behind are the assholes that would get rid of their pets when they move house, get a new job, get married, whatever... it had nothing to do with the "cost of shipping him". to a dedicated caretaker, taking an animal home just requires some planning... it's not ridiculously expensive (usually).
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Kikomom



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as you, DF, are recognized as the pack leader, he'll be happy in whatever situation he is in. Dogs love pack leaders, and if they don't have one will naturally try to dominate the situation in their quest for survival.

As long as your pack (you and him, any wife and kids?) is better than his last pack (right now, none?) he'll be happy. If he was a circus dog (wow, I want one!), that should have him well-schooled in the pack mentality.

Cesar's Way: Exercise, Discipline, and Affection. <always in that order. Ask him to sit, stay, preforming commands is a mental exercise and shows discipline before being rewarded. A meal is reward, affection is reward, a treat, a pet, etc. But first you should exercise him to the point of exhaustion. Cesar roller blades, bikes, skateboards, jogs with them to establish leadership. And does a 'bite' with his fingers to their neck to focus their attention and establish control. (me hero, he's amazing)


Before you bring him home, get him leash trained to walk and you should be able to walk him right inside the door. If he stalls, give him a nudge (not kick, nudge) with your foot to get him refocused on you. Walking on a leash, you should always be out front, HE is the follower. He'll catch on to that fast.

Then get him crate trained. It's his special sanctuary so break him in gently to it, lure him in with a treat or let him explore it on his own. Leave an old t-shirt with your scent on it in the crate when you're gone the first day. This will make him feel not so all alone. Put that with some toys and water in the spare room and he should be fine. Crate training now will go a long way when it comes time to take him home.

Cesar Milan is me hero, I worship his words on dog psychology... Look him up sometime, The Dog Whisperer. And if you get a chance to catch the show on National Geographic

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Considering adoption? Just brought your puppy home? Meeting your new dog? Bringing home your newborn? Start off on the right paw!]

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it is vitally important to take into account how that dog�s energy will harmonize with your own. The most important step is to take some time for self-reflection and to identify what your own energy levels are. Do you wake up early every morning, pound a power bar and a health shake, and go for a run in the mountains? Or do you take life at a more leisurely pace? When energy levels conflict, resulting frustrations on the part of both human and dog can create tensions and issues with dramatic repercussions, so take into account how your energy will affect your decision.
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The walk is an excellent litmus test for a new dog. Find out from the shelter if you can �test drive� the dog that you�re interested in. Take him out for a spin around the block and see how the two of you get along. Not only will you get an early idea of how you work together in a pack-oriented activity, but you�ll get a better understanding of his underlying temperament once you�ve drained away the frustration and pent-up energy he has from being in his cage.

Most importantly, do your best to leave your emotions at the door. You will have plenty of time to bond with your dog once you�ve brought him home and incorporated him into your family. For his sake and yours, try not to let the environment of the shelter and the weight of the decision influence you. Adoption centers can be heart-breaking places if your thoughts are focused on the fate of every single dog present. It�s crucial for you to choose the right dog, and not just one that you feel sorry for. Feeling pity for a homeless dog won�t benefit him or you in the long run.

Keep an open mind, do your research, and have patience! In the end, you�ll both be better off for it.


It looks to me like you two have already started bonding. And it looks like your energy could match fine. I'd go for the rescue if I were you. Sometimes the right dog comes into your life in unexpected way.

Does he have a name yet?
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