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nolegirl
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Whenever I see these posts, I can only assume that you are the illegitimate daughter of the second Audrey, from EUROPEAN VACATION. Now she knew how to complain. And yet a total downgrade from the original. The third was a preteen, but fortunately they got a good one for the trip to VEGAS.
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The Audrey on European vacation was hilarious! You must think I'm funny, you must want to date me, you wanna kiss me, you wanna marry me!!! Don't lie, you do
Anyway my posts are a little jaded b/c I am bi-polar, see soemtimes I am introvert and sometimes an extrovert, depends on if I take my meds or not!!! That should explain everything! |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Too many people confuse introversion with shyness. |
I used to think I was introverted but I'm not sure any more. Lately, I am definitely recharging when I'm with people, and getting down when I'm alone too long (two weekends in a row alone of course I generally see no one during the week out in the sticks). But if I'm not alone enough, that's no good either.
Maybe I'm closer to the middle now? |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: |
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I'm 60% introvert, 40% extrovert  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I've become less introverted as I got older. But yeah I do enjoy my alone time. Korea is a great place to be alone and I might think introverts tend to do better, especially if you're the only whitey at your school. |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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You don't have to be at extreme ends of the scale. Here's a simple 10 question test even the brainiacs can handle:
My scores:
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The Introvert-Extrovert Test
says that I'm Balanced
What does it mean?
You are fairly balanced in your introvert-extrovert personallity. You like going out, but like to have time to yourself as well. You typically have a few great friends, and many that you can hang around with.
Extroverts:
-have motives and actions that are directed outward.
-are more prone to action than contemplation.
-are typically very friendly to unknown people.
-feel empowered in social situations.
Introverts:
-have motives and actions that are directed inward.
-tend to be preoccupied with their own thoughts and feelings.
-minimize their contact with other people.
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Staying balanced helps keep the wrath of Hurricane Kiko under control.  |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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If you're happy being inward-looking, as I am, then wheres the problem?
This is one of the things koreans just don't understand about me. I enjoy my alone time! Wether it be surfing the web, hiking, photography or reading..I love it. I view life as a journey of self-discovery. my alone time is not exactly unproductive.
Instead they are forever asking me at work- "Are you going hiking ALONE (???!!!) this weekend?
"yes, I often prefer it that way. I am a westerner after all". |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
You don't have to be at extreme ends of the scale. Here's a simple 10 question test even the brainiacs can handle:
My scores:
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The Introvert-Extrovert Test
says that I'm Balanced
What does it mean?
You are fairly balanced in your introvert-extrovert personallity. You like going out, but like to have time to yourself as well. You typically have a few great friends, and many that you can hang around with.
Extroverts:
-have motives and actions that are directed outward.
-are more prone to action than contemplation.
-are typically very friendly to unknown people.
-feel empowered in social situations.
Introverts:
-have motives and actions that are directed inward.
-tend to be preoccupied with their own thoughts and feelings.
-minimize their contact with other people.
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Staying balanced helps keep the wrath of Hurricane Kiko under control.  |
Not a good quiz for measuring extroversion/introversion. Better ones can easily be found via google.
I got 75% extrovert. That is wrong. I'm at least 75% introvert. More like 90% maybe. But I think I answered the questions the right way, maybe more like what I believe at the moment, but perhaps not generally true of my actual thoughts/actions.
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
I view life as a journey of self-discovery. my alone time is not exactly unproductive.
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Self discovery? The examinable self is always changing, if you lived your life backwards you'd still be discovering things about yourself. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: |
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I've found that being introverted is an effective check against culture shock.
What difference does it make whether I'm a stranger in another culture or whether I'm a stranger in my own culture? |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
I've found that being introverted is an effective check against culture shock.
What difference does it make whether I'm a stranger in another culture or whether I'm a stranger in my own culture? |
I'd go as far as to say introverts are the only ones that survive Korea.
Extroverts crave more attention than korea can give. They've usually burned out and departed before a year. |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Googling the definition of 'extrovert':
a person concerned more with practical realities than with inner thoughts and feelings
A useful understanding of introverted nature(I think Harpeau refers to this) puts the introversion/extroversion model in terms of energy patterns - some people are invigorated in social situations, others recharge in 'quiet time' by themselves. The idea of being obsessed with our own thoughts is too simple, and a little bit derogative.
The model of energy patterns helped me explain, understand and accept my nature, as introversion par se isn't something to be overcome.
Reading a definition of extroversion and it would seem that their character is more grounded in reality - in contrast the introverted personality is 'airy fairy' and 'out of touch' with reality.
It is possible for an introvert to be socially adroit, and an extrovert to be awkward...although the odds are generally stacked against us. |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think that's a poor definition and doesn't describe the type of personality that we are thinking about.
Someone like Thomas Edison, who spends all of his time in his lonesome, perfecting his inventions and performing tests, just him and his tools, is an introvert in my book. But by the definition you had found, he is an extrovert since he is constantly focused on reality. He is so focused on reality that he doesn't care about the thoughts and opinions of people who say he could fail.
I would go ahead and say that neither introverts nor extroverts necessarily place feelings above reality, but that extroverts may have the danger of placing people's opinions above reality. That is a form of substituting feeling and faith for thought. In practice, introverts commonly have this problem too; the shy people who are constantly terrified of other people's judging them so they don't act in a matter consistent with their thoughts. So both groups can have the problem of placing people's opinions over reality. It's called being "Second-Handed" by Ayn Rand.
http://www.aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/secondhanders.html
Introspection and extrospection are different than introversion and extroversion. Introspection means concerning yourself with your thought processes and feelings. Extrospection means using your senses to empirically evaluate reality. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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She just described Koreans to me.
"Isn�t that the root of every despicable action? Not selfishness, but precisely the absence of a self. Look at them. The man who cheats and lies, but preserves a respectable front. He knows himself to be dishonest, but others think he�s honest and he derives his self-respect from that, second-hand. The man who takes credit for an achievement which is not his own. He knows himself to be mediocre, but he�s great in the eyes of others. The frustrated wretch who professes love for the inferior and clings to those less endowed, in order to establish his own superiority by comparison . . . . They�re second-handers . . . .
They have no concern for facts, ideas, work. They�re concerned only with people. They don�t ask: �Is this true?� They ask: �Is this what others think is true?� Not to judge, but to repeat. Not to do, but to give the impression of doing. Not creation, but show. Not ability, but friendship. Not merit, but pull. What would happen to the world without those who do, think, work, produce? Those are the egoists. You don�t think through another�s brain and you don�t work through another�s hands. When you suspend your faculty of independent judgment, you suspend consciousness. To stop consciousness is to stop life. Second-handers have no sense of reality. Their reality is not within them, but somewhere in that space which divides one human body from another. Not an entity, but a relation�anchored to nothing. That�s the emptiness I couldn�t understand in people. That�s what stopped me whenever I faced a committee. Men without an ego. Opinion without a rational process. Motion without brakes or motor. Power without responsibility. The second-hander acts, but the source of his actions is scattered in every other living person. It�s everywhere and nowhere and you can�t reason with him. He�s not open to reason." |
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Lord Dimwit Flathead
Joined: 07 Dec 2008
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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As an introvert with unorthodox interests and personal preferences, I have asked myself many times if I was Incorrect as the surrounding society would have me believe.
My last few years of experience have led to the opposite conclusion of the original poster. I have seen again and again how extroverts move through society easier than I do, but the price is high. What is proper in society only enjoys such status merely by being upheld by the sheer inertia of being accepted as a standard within a group. No matter how silly, how stupid, how random, a new social development might be, the most extroverted of the population are all but chained to it for good or for ill. They are slaves to fashion, struggling to change like chameleons according to every breeze that ripples the texture of the collective. In rapid paced modern societies, their very identities are inseperable from the chaos; it's enough to reduce them all to nervous wrecks. In my experience, extroverts are more successful in attaining status and finding mates, but they are constantly stressed out and in turmoil. Ironically, they have no means by which to appreciate their greater success because they figure their happiness relative to whatever group they happen to be a part of.
True extroverts cannot be masters of their own happiness, because they are happy only according to, and by permission of their group. Whether they are happy or wretched is a roll of the dice whether they are high or low in status.
To really be at peace with oneself requires having a well-defined discrete identity and the ability to identify one's personal needs and satisfy them. Some degree of introversion is required to accomplish this. Whether the introvert accomplishes more or less is a moot point: it requires some degree of introversion for inner peace and for any concept of good or accomplishment to be independent from the monolithic, impersonal forces that govern mass societies.
I have found even survival in this world difficult, yet I have found again and again whenever it comes to a moment of decision that I would not trade my life for that of the socialite under any circumstances.
I find both the greatest joys and the greatest meaning of my life in the peaceful and independent hours. What it costs me in terms of social capital is of peripheral concern, so long as I can figure a means to food and shelter. I require far less for happiness than does the extravert, and it is a more serene, more reliable happiness than can be found in the endless excitations and fluctuations of a highly social life. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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As an introvert with unorthodox interests and personal preferences, I have asked myself many times if I was Incorrect as the surrounding society would have me believe.
My last few years of experience have led to the opposite conclusion of the original poster. I have seen again and again how extroverts move through society easier than I do, but the price is high. What is proper in society only enjoys such status merely by being upheld by the sheer inertia of being accepted as a standard within a group. No matter how silly, how stupid, how random, a new social development might be, the most extroverted of the population are all but chained to it for good or for ill. They are slaves to fashion, struggling to change like chameleons according to every breeze that ripples the texture of the collective. In rapid paced modern societies, their very identities are inseperable from the chaos; it's enough to reduce them all to nervous wrecks. In my experience, extroverts are more successful in attaining status and finding mates, but they are constantly stressed out and in turmoil. Ironically, they have no means by which to appreciate their greater success because they figure their happiness relative to whatever group they happen to be a part of.
True extroverts cannot be masters of their own happiness, because they are happy only according to, and by permission of their group. Whether they are happy or wretched is a roll of the dice whether they are high or low in status.
To really be at peace with oneself requires having a well-defined discrete identity and the ability to identify one's personal needs and satisfy them. Some degree of introversion is required to accomplish this. Whether the introvert accomplishes more or less is a moot point: it requires some degree of introversion for inner peace and for any concept of good or accomplishment to be independent from the monolithic, impersonal forces that govern mass societies.
I have found even survival in this world difficult, yet I have found again and again whenever it comes to a moment of decision that I would not trade my life for that of the socialite under any circumstances.
I find both the greatest joys and the greatest meaning of my life in the peaceful and independent hours. What it costs me in terms of social capital is of peripheral concern, so long as I can figure a means to food and shelter. I require far less for happiness than does the extravert, and it is a more serene, more reliable happiness than can be found in the endless excitations and fluctuations of a highly social life. |
Socialites tend to enjoy the hell out of life....it's not really a burden that you make it seem unless you want to make it so.
And lastly I wonder how many of you are real introverts....If you hate parties and clubs, but get giddy at the chance to go to a LAN party or Comic convention...I think your likely shy. |
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