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cemented



Joined: 13 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Pot Arrest Reply with quote

Hello
I am thinking about coming to Korea, and I need to clarify something
I spoke with a recruiter and she was an idiot and not really helpful (basically wanted to get paid and didn't know anything else)
Anyway 6 years ago I got arrested for possession, however, it was thrown out of court but it shows up on my record when I access it
I am in florida, I don't know if this will A) show up on a background check
and B) Will this cause my visa to be denied.
I even went as far as to contact the Korean embassy (I could barely understand the woman I was speaking with and she was no help either)
All this money koreans spend on english and they still can't speak it
I think eloqusion lesson would be better
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aphase



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my friends was recently denied an E2 renewal because he has Underage drinking on his record. This is when he was 20. If he got denied because of that, I'm thinking you would probably denied as well. However, I don't work for immigration so I can't really say. Maybe someone else will know better.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Pot Arrest Reply with quote

cemented wrote:
Hello
I am thinking about coming to Korea, and I need to clarify something
I spoke with a recruiter and she was an idiot and not really helpful (basically wanted to get paid and didn't know anything else)
Anyway 6 years ago I got arrested for possession, however, it was thrown out of court but it shows up on my record when I access it
I am in florida, I don't know if this will A) show up on a background check
and B) Will this cause my visa to be denied.
I even went as far as to contact the Korean embassy (I could barely understand the woman I was speaking with and she was no help either)
All this money koreans spend on english and they still can't speak it
I think eloqusion lesson would be better


IF it shows on your background check you will be denied a visa (no maybe about it).

IF it does NOT show on your background check you can get a visa and it is a non-issue.

You need a clean background check with an appostille from the secretary of states in order to obtain a visa.

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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A CRC from another state or perhaps even another county might work. Do you have another address you can use?
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you should contact the court that your case was thrown out of and see if they will esponge your arrest record. It can take up to three months, but it is likely that they will. Once it is esponged, the record will be sealed and won't show up any more.

Another option is to go to a neighboring county where you will come up clean and have that local police check apostilled. It might not be an option everywhere, but if it looks like a gaping loophole in the system, it just might be one.
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A2Steve



Joined: 10 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Pot Arrest Reply with quote

cemented wrote:
Hello
I am thinking about coming to Korea, and I need to clarify something
I spoke with a recruiter and she was an idiot and not really helpful (basically wanted to get paid and didn't know anything else)
Anyway 6 years ago I got arrested for possession, however, it was thrown out of court but it shows up on my record when I access it
I am in florida, I don't know if this will A) show up on a background check
and B) Will this cause my visa to be denied.
I even went as far as to contact the Korean embassy (I could barely understand the woman I was speaking with and she was no help either)
All this money koreans spend on english and they still can't speak it
I think eloqusion lesson would be better


The word is spelled "ELOCUTION." Maybe if you're so intent on criticizing someone else's use of the language, you should pick up a dictionary..... and "The Elements of Style" while you're at it.

Let's see- history of being a dopehead, bad attitude, and need to criticize anyone who doesn't speak perfect English. You should fit right in in Itaweon. If you smoke and drink like a fiend, you should blend right in!
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Do this Reply with quote

Talk to a lawyer and see if you can get this expunged from your record. Explain to the lawyer that this will prevent you from getting a job, and he will present that info to the court where the charges were dropped. You should be able to get an expungement in this case.

An expungement will remove this from all eyes except law enforcement agencies, such as the FBI. Understand that if Korea starts requiring FBI checks, even this won't work. Anything one has expunged will show up on his or her FBI check.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Pot Arrest Reply with quote

cemented wrote:
I got arrested for possession, however, it was thrown out of court but it shows up on my record when I access it

If it shows up on your CBC, thrown out or not, you will most likely be denied the visa. Korean Immigration isn't going to bother asking "was he guilty?" or "why was it thrown out?" They probably won't even notice that it was thrown out. All they will see are the words ARRESTED and DRUGS. And that will be all she wrote.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:45 am    Post subject: Re: Pot Arrest Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
cemented wrote:
I got arrested for possession, however, it was thrown out of court but it shows up on my record when I access it

If it shows up on your CBC, thrown out or not, you will most likely be denied the visa. Korean Immigration isn't going to bother asking "was he guilty?" or "why was it thrown out?" They probably won't even notice that it was thrown out. All they will see are the words ARRESTED and DRUGS. And that will be all she wrote.


Sadly, this seems to be true. There was someone on this forum a few months ago who was arrested but not convicted of burglary almost twenty years ago. His visa was denied.
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broken76



Joined: 27 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean justice system is a bit different than the one in the States. Here it is more along the lines of guilty until proven innocent. If you have a violent, drug or sexual offense on your record regardless of convictions or not it will be an automatic denial.
Other offenses are pretty much on a case to case basis. Like others said if you can get it expunged from your records it won't be a problem, if not then teaching in Korea won't be possible.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a guy a couple weeks ago who had his Korean boss write a character statement to attach to his CRC on his behalf stating that his offense wouldn't be serious enough to have him be a bad teacher.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=128978&highlight=

A lot of new and misinformation on this board concerning new regulations. Just be proactive with your job search and ask as many questions as possible.

Have any future boss call immigration in regards to this topic.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Be patient Reply with quote

Something else you, and anyone who is in the same boat with you, should think about:

These new regs are going to create a temporary shortage of native English teachers and put schools, both public and private, in a bind here.

When enough schools here feel enough pain, they will complain to the government and some things that will get you denied a visa today may be overlooked a few months from now. That pain will take the form of having to pay higher salaries to scarce teachers plus the fact the teachers are becoming scarce, thanks to the new rules. It's pretty hard to hold an English class advertised as being taught by a native speaker when there is no native speaker there to teach it.

If you are denied right now, just be patient and reapply in about 6 months. China is rumoured to have more English speakers now than there are people in the USA. Korea will not allow itself to be left in the dust, from an English-ability standpoint. They'll come around and relax some of this insane shit, and it won't be long before they have to do it. Mark my word.
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Rob'sdad



Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: Be patient Reply with quote

Tobias wrote:
Something else you, and anyone who is in the same boat with you, should think about:

These new regs are going to create a temporary shortage of native English teachers and put schools, both public and private, in a bind here.

When enough schools here feel enough pain, they will complain to the government and some things that will get you denied a visa today may be overlooked a few months from now. That pain will take the form of having to pay higher salaries to scarce teachers plus the fact the teachers are becoming scarce, thanks to the new rules. It's pretty hard to hold an English class advertised as being taught by a native speaker when there is no native speaker there to teach it.

If you are denied right now, just be patient and reapply in about 6 months. China is rumoured to have more English speakers now than there are people in the USA. Korea will not allow itself to be left in the dust, from an English-ability standpoint. They'll come around and relax some of this insane shit, and it won't be long before they have to do it. Mark my word.


That's right.

Some what off the track. The US government acts much in the same way. For the last two years the Department of State hasn't increased the number of J-1 (public school exchange visas). So of course schools and placement agencies are whining....as am I. It's bad for business.

The fact is, education is a business. I don't like it but that's the way it is. The US schools, complain, the Korean parents get riled and congress or the 국회 need to respond.

I'm a huge fan of the Canada 'Study Permit' system. Easy, extensions are a breeze and generally Canadian schools pay commisions.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Be patient Reply with quote

Tobias wrote:
These new regs are going to create a temporary shortage of native English teachers and put schools, both public and private, in a bind here.

there was a teacher shortage BEFORE the new regs came into effect. Schools, especially public schools, were already in a bind.
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jurassic82



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: Somewhere!!!!

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aphase wrote:
One of my friends was recently denied an E2 renewal because he has Underage drinking on his record. This is when he was 20. If he got denied because of that, I'm thinking you would probably denied as well. However, I don't work for immigration so I can't really say. Maybe someone else will know better.


I have my doubts about this. I just recieved my CBC from the FBI and I was worried before I got it because back in college I had two MIP charges for alcohol. When I got my CBC niether of them showed up on my record. My record just showed "No Arrest History." OP I would do what others have said and try and get it expunged. Consult a lawyer if you can. I don't think it is impossible for you to work here. Just be persistent! Best of luck!
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