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What would Japan look like if Korea had won WWII?
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Gollywog



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: What would Japan look like if Korea had won WWII? Reply with quote

Many Koreans believe the U.S. imposed a military dictatorship on Korea after WWII that lasted for decades, even after Korea began holding democratic elections. That even seems to be the official line in the school textbooks. At the same time, they seem to be teaching students that Koreans were responsible for defeating Japan during WWII, at least within Korea. Is this correct?

This got me wondering. How many Koreans were actually killed during WWII? How many actually died fighting against the Japanese? Or did Koreans primarily die fighting against the U.S. and the Allies, given that Korea was aligned with Japan during the war? Were there Koreans who said No to the Japanese war machine, and refused to fight or assist them?

And then I got to wondering. What if Korea had actually defeated Japan, and had been the U.S.'s shoes, occupying Japan? How would Koreans have treated the Japanese if they were running Japan after its destruction during WWII? What sort of government would Korea have helped to establish in Japan? How much money would Korea have spent to help rebuild Japan? What would Japan look like today if the Koreans had defeated Japan?

Heck, what would Germany look like if Korea were the victor? What would the world look like? Would there have been a Marshall Plan to feed the defeated, and rebuilt their countries?

Just wondering.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would you look like if you had a brain?

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samd



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

13 questions in one post. Must be a troll record.

But I'll bite...

First paragraph: No, this is not correct.

Second paragraph: Read a history book about Korea under the Japanese.

Third paragraph: I don't know, nor does anybody else.

Fourth paragraph: See above.
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contrarian



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the end of WWII the Korean, particularly North Korean, underground has control of much of Korea.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By the end of WWII the Korean, particularly North Korean, underground has control of much of Korea.


Proof please. I'd like to see a source on that.
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santafly



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about: what would Korea look like if Japan had won WWII, at least held on to NE Asia.
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually there is some truth to the first paragraph. The textbooks and teachers here do teach that Korea defeated Japan and the US caused more problems then they solved. I used to teach history to middle school students and when we did WWII there was always a huge argument about what happened at the end of the war. They pretty much have no clue as to what really happened. Maybe it gets corrected sometime in highschool, but middle school students have been taught as the OP stated from what I have seen.
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contrarian



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As to Korean control towards the end of the war I would reference Kim Il Sung. His guerrilla movement had been particularly effective in the North, He became a very nast tyrant thereafter and now we have "Dear Leader" messing things up.

The Americans under MacArthur made one serious mistake, particularly in Cheju-do of leaving the Japanese administration and civil service in place. The lead to a bloody insurrection in Cheju.

guri:

I don't really have the interest to do all the research necessary, but if you are interested Cuming's book, Korea's Place in the Sun is a good start.
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Frankly Mr Shankly



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

contrarian wrote:
By the end of WWII the Korean, particularly North Korean, underground has control of much of Korea.


Under the aegis of Soviet troops who declared war on Japan right at the end and rolled on down to Kaesong.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering the population difference, difference in Technology, and other factors, there is no way Korea would've defeated the Japanese after WW2.

This is a pointless question. Its like asking, "What if the Polish or French defeated the Nazi's in WW2."
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: What would Japan look like if Korea had won WWII? Reply with quote

Gollywog wrote:
How many Koreans were actually killed during WWII?


Post WWII France carefully cultivated its experience during the German occupation as one of resistance. The French people to the core (save some women who banged German officers and paid the price by having their head shaved) were all members of the resistance. Much of that official line has fallen as the true historical record demonstrates the French as being largely happy collaborators.

I would imagine Korea (or any nation really) would share such a true history. Most people punch the clown, whatever clown, to get through their day and stay alive for another one.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As to Korean control towards the end of the war I would reference Kim Il Sung. His guerrilla movement had been particularly effective in the North, He became a very nast tyrant thereafter and now we have "Dear Leader" messing things up.


During the late 1930s and early 1940s, Kim trained with Chinese communist revolutionary forces and commandeered a group of 300 Korean guerrillas (a unit of the Chinese Route Army) to launch surprise attacks on Japanese outposts near the Manchurian border, according to North Korean historical accounts.

Kim's daring and successful raids on the Japanese prompted colonialist authorities to label him a major threat to their rule and they organized a special counterinsurgency task force to hunt him down.

Japanese press accounts from this period suggest Kim belonged to a group of some 40 "red bandits", rather than 300, who attacked and looted villages. Japanese newspapers portrayed Kim as a bandit "preying upon poor Korean farmers" as part of Japan's efforts to undermine the Korean nationalist movement.

Russian reports indicate that both the Soviets and Chinese supplied Kim's brigade with weapons on a monthly basis, though Kim maintained his unit stole arms and military supplies from raids on Japanese army posts.

Kim Il Sung, President of North Korea, May 1991In 1937, Kim's "bandits" scored a major victory against Japanese forces stationed in Ponchonbo. North and South Koreans alike now celebrate the battle at Ponchonbo as a benchmark for Korean liberation from colonial Japan by both North and South Koreans.

As the Japanese took increasingly brutal measures to crush these independence fighters, Kim and other guerrillas fled north to the Soviet Union during 1940 and 1941. Kim and his comrades stayed in Khabarovsk until Japan's surrender to the Allied Forces in 1945, when Korea was granted independence.

During Kim's five-year stay in the Soviet Union, he trained with Soviet and Chinese military specialists and married Kim Chong-suk, the eldest daughter of a poor farmer from Manchuria and a "fellow partisan." The couple had two sons, Kim Jong Il and Kim P'yong Il, and one daughter, Kim Kyong Hui, whose whereabouts are unknown. Kim P'Yong Il reportedly died in 1944.

When Kim and his family arrived in Pyongyang in 1945, he became a central player in the post-war Korean government. Though only 33 years old, Kim possessed extensive knowledge, familiarity, and experience with powerful Soviet and Chinese leaders from his years training with the Chinese and Soviet armies. Kim's connections and Marxist ideology helped position him to advance as North Korea's new post-war leader.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/asia/northkorea/keyplayers/kimilsung.html

Here are your quotes again Contrarian. Care to make a retraction?

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By the end of WWII the Korean, particularly North Korean, underground has control of much of Korea.


Quote:
As to Korean control towards the end of the war I would reference Kim Il Sung. His guerrilla movement had been particularly effective in the North, He became a very nast tyrant thereafter and now we have "Dear Leader" messing things up.
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jkelly80



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan had been itching for Korea since the 1870s while the Koreans still played yangban games and farmed dirt, letting Junguk-hyeongnim take care of things for them. Korea never really had a chance.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Contrarian gets pwned in 2 threads at the same time.
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Ut videam



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

contrarian wrote:
I don't really have the interest to do all the research necessary, but if you are interested Cuming's book, Korea's Place in the Sun is a good start.

Cumings is a revisionist hack who uncritically accepts the North's propaganda while applying a rigorous hermeneutic of suspicion to anything remotely complimentary of the US or of South Korean government pre-1987.

An excellent review of his tripe here: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200409/myers

A salient quote on the book you endorsed:
Quote:
Cumings went on to write an account of postwar Korea that instances the North's "miracle rice," "autarkic" economy, and prescient energy policy (an "unqualified success") to refute what he calls the "basket-case" view of the country. With even worse timing than its predecessor, Korea's Place in the Sun (1997) went on sale just as the world was learning of a devastating famine wrought by Pyongyang's misrule. The author must have wondered if he was snakebit.
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