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RJjr
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| Your point RJ, is? |
The point is that it's ironic that someone with an Israeli passport would say, "(Insert group here) is an indigestible lump in western culture. We are better off wihtout them," when that's exactly what many in Western culture have been saying about Jews for centuries. You put yourself on the same level as the very bigots who say those things about Jews. |
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contrarian
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Oh?
In the US the Jews earned acceptance, alsong with the Irish, the Chinese and other groups. That is as it should be.
No group is owed anything the don't earn. The Mormons were made the subject of an extermination order by the governor of Missouri, our Prophet was assassinated in Illinois. We then built a state and an "empire" in the intermountain area of the US west.
We earned it. In the new era Muslims in Europe, American and Canada can accomodate themselves to us, not we to them. |
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RJjr
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| People with Israeli passports are losing acceptance with the blood of our fallen soldiers in Iraq dripping from the hands of Wolfowitz, Abrams, Feith, Wurmser, and folks in AIPAC. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Quite simple. You end all immigration from countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia etc. You also put an end to chain migration, and make it much more difficult for people to spuriously gain citizenship. No need for silly questions to see if people can integrate. It is fairly obvious, that 9 times out of 10 the average Aussie or Italian is going to integrate more easily than Ahmed from Waziristan. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| You put yourself on the same level as the very bigots who say those things about Jews. |
Although truly ironically the rise in anti-semitic activity in Europe is directly related to the rise in the Muslim population. So, who are the real bigots? |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| You put yourself on the same level as the very bigots who say those things about Jews. |
Although truly ironically the rise in anti-semitic activity in Europe is directly related to the rise in the Muslim population. So, who are the real bigots? |
Everyone on Earth. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Yes, you probably could. On the other hand the people already in any given country should have the big part of the choice who joins them.
If the Brits don't want any more Muslims that, in a democracy, should be their choice. |
As of 2005, a majority of the general public in Great Britain, Spain, and France felt that immigration from the Mid East and North Africa was a good thing. Only Germans felt it was a bad thing. Then again, most Germans also oppose immigration from Eastern Europe.
Source: http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=254 |
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contrarian
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: |
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huff:
Polls are for dogs to urniate on. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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A cursory search of the NY Times archives:
NY Time, July 22, 1884
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| Father John J. Riordan, the Catholic Missionary at Castle Garden, will sail for Ireland on Thursday on business connected with his missionary work. He says that under existing circumstances he does not feel warranted in encouraging Irish immigration to America. |
NY Times, June 16, 1888
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| The Italians and the Russians have few things in common, but one of the few things they have in common, so far as our experience of them has gone, seems to be an incapacity and aversion for becoming American citizens. |
Welcome to the 19th century guys! You would have fit right in. |
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contrarian
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Being politically correct is something I carefully avoid. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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A cursory search of the NY Times archives:
NY Time, July 22, 1884
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| Father John J. Riordan, the Catholic Missionary at Castle Garden, will sail for Ireland on Thursday on business connected with his missionary work. He says that under existing circumstances he does not feel warranted in encouraging Irish immigration to America. |
NY Times, June 16, 1888
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| The Italians and the Russians have few things in common, but one of the few things they have in common, so far as our experience of them has gone, seems to be an incapacity and aversion for becoming American citizens. |
Welcome to the 19th century guys! You would have fit right in. |
Wow, proof that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Very interesting. Thanks huffdaddy. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Being politically correct is something I carefully avoid. |
As would being correct, it would seem.
Just one more example.
From the NY Times, April 14, 1911
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| But I can sympathize with the people on the Pacific Coast, for example, when they wish to exclude Chinamen because they find that Chinamen do not fit into their social and political institutions, and it is better for themselves, as well as for the Chinese and the world, that they should not come here. |
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contrarian
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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My, my! Huff is in a huff.
In British Columbia in Canada the Chinese, after they finished building the transcontinental railway were forbidden by law to work in the mining and forestry industries. This was not removed until 1948.
During WWII, my father who could not get into the military for medical reasons, worked in the mines in the East Kootenays. In 1943 he ran for president of the Mine, Mill and Smelter Worker's local. Part of his platform was to open the mines to the Chinese. He was severely beaten and carried scars for life, for his efforts.
He never told me this but in a visit back to the town when I was 16 we went to the local Chinese restaraunt. He was treated as a long lost brother and it was the owner who told me the story.
The Mine, Mill and Smelter workers of that time were heavily communist. They were the ones opposed.
The "nice and hardworking" Chinese had paid thier dues and earned their place.
The Muslims seem to be demanding a special place and they want it right now. Sorry fellas pay your dues first. |
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RJjr
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Why don't you look up Mohamed Rateb in the Yellow Pages? He lives in Brigantine, SC. Maybe you can call him and tell him about how his son, the late Sgt. Sameer Rateb, didn't "pay his dues." When Sgt. Rateb's son is old enough, maybe you can tell him about how your dad stayed home from a war and worked on a railroad. I'm sure he'll be as impressed as we were. 
Khadijah Ahearn of Raeford, NC had a father that didn't pay his dues working on the railroad either. Her highly decorated Muslim father died in Iraq.
Working on the railroad... |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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The Muslims seem to be demanding a special place and they want it right now. Sorry fellas pay your dues first. |
Cultural hazing? How quaint. |
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